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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
20. Actually, both my sister-in-law and I have excellent insurance policies and we've both received
Thu Nov 21, 2013, 09:48 PM
Nov 2013

cancellation letters. The replacement policies that are available for a comparable price have significantly increased out of pocket costs.

Some people, like me, would like to keep their old insurance policy rather than be forced to buy an inferior product at a higher price. It is those people that the article is addressing.

And yes, indeed it will increase the number of people who have inadequate insurance. That increase in number comes from the millions of people who do not have insurance. That is, they've gone from no insurance at all to being required to purchase the policies that they can afford; i.e., policies with huge out of pocket costs.

How can stating that the no-cap spending provision was granted a waiver be a lie, when in fact waivers have been granted? From Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/13/yet-another-white-house-obamacare-delay-out-of-pocket-caps-waived-until-2015/

Yet Another White House Obamacare Delay: Out-Of-Pocket Caps Waived Until 2015

According to the law, the limits on out-of-pocket costs for 2014 were $6,350 for individual policies and $12,700 for family ones. But in February, the Department of Labor published a little-noticed rule delaying the cap until 2015. The delay was described yesterday by Robert Pear in the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/a-limit-on-consumer-costs-is-delayed-in-health-care-law.html?smid=tw-nytimeshealth&seid=auto&_r=1&pagewanted=all&

Personally, I'm not confident that it will the cap will withstand another year of insurance company lobbying and political donations.

You do realize, don't you, that the committee also contains Democratic Senators? And scammers have been reported.

I've read the report and much of it is bullshit but the part that she quoted seems to have highlighted legitimate concerns:

Still, some of the GOP's concerns may be legitimate. Navigators are not required to have a government ID or other documentation proving they are authorized to help enroll people for health coverage, and the government has not yet set up a list of all authorized navigators. Sixteen states have already imposed stricter rules on navigators on their own, including criminal background checks and requirements that these helpers obtain state licenses.

The White House is listening. On Wednesday, the Obama administration announced a new effort to assure Americans that the information they submit when applying for health care is private and secure; White House officials plan to unveil a toll-free telephone number where consumers can report fraud under the new law, and will soon launch an education campaign to warn consumers to be on the lookout for scams.


California, as consumer protection initiative, require finger prints and criminal background checks of its navigators.






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So blatantly obvious, I don't know why the GOP is against it. Myrina Nov 2013 #1
I think that falls under the category of "The Hurrah"... truth2power Nov 2013 #5
they got a huge concession--why wouldn't they keep pushing? MisterP Nov 2013 #8
I don't know why the GOP is against it either, red dog 1 Nov 2013 #52
This is the time to demand single payer... polichick Nov 2013 #2
too many Democratic politicians take their checks from the financial sector yurbud Nov 2013 #47
True. We have to stop accepting crumbs... polichick Nov 2013 #48
Ah, the Republicans' useful idiots chime in again geek tragedy Nov 2013 #3
Oh, Geek! How have ya' been? *sigh*... truth2power Nov 2013 #4
Great response! N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #6
Thanks! truth2power Nov 2013 #7
This is the Bush=Gore crowd's attempt at policy analysis, and they wind up geek tragedy Nov 2013 #12
Geek - You're saying the same thing as you said in your previous post... truth2power Nov 2013 #14
I got as far as the part where they whined geek tragedy Nov 2013 #16
Yep, that's Moyers alright Doctor_J Nov 2013 #11
Moyers didn't author this piece of crap article, which includes geek tragedy Nov 2013 #13
Where oh where did they defend junk insurance? Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #17
asdf geek tragedy Nov 2013 #18
Actually, both my sister-in-law and I have excellent insurance policies and we've both received Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #20
Thank you for proving my point. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #23
EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #27
They quoted the rightwing's #1 healthcare propagandist, Avik Roy, in another post. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #34
BUAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #38
Holy shit... SidDithers Nov 2013 #49
DKF was banned for posting an Avik Roy piece nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #50
DU'ers using single payer to trash ACA is wrong Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #54
Note that the authors advocate "repeal and replace" with single payer geek tragedy Nov 2013 #55
They would need a replacement after any repeal because ACA is not a failure Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #56
this isn't just about whose "team" wins. Though in DC, I think winning simply means who yurbud Nov 2013 #58
If Republicans win, the American people lose. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #59
If DLC'ers really felt that way, they wouldn't agree with Republicans so often or even yurbud Nov 2013 #60
The truth of this article won't stop the hoards of "I got mine" people from gloating Corruption Inc Nov 2013 #9
You've said it. Thanks. truth2power Nov 2013 #15
So far, all the responses of this OP are supportive, red dog 1 Nov 2013 #51
Racists! Haters! Ponies! Lieberman! Libertarian! Greenwald! Doctor_J Nov 2013 #10
They're Darrell Issa fans, as you can see by reading to the end of the report. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #19
Apparently, the DEMOCRATIC state legislators in CA are also Darrell Issa fans. They acted Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #21
Huh? They cracked down on Obamacare navigators? geek tragedy Nov 2013 #22
No. They took the concerns of consumer rights activists seriously Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #24
LMAO. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #25
I'd rather believe that than believe that Issa Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #26
Neitherr Stein nor Issa care about consumer protections. They're scaremongering re: geek tragedy Nov 2013 #30
Ahem. And assisters. I am so glad I live in Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #40
How have your contacts been with assisters/navigators? nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #43
Pleasant, knowledgable, and efficient. Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #45
Do you mean HIPPA? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #31
One word for you HIPPA! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #35
Not.A.Fucking.Chance! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #29
I know, right? That's seriously some to the dumbest bullshit I've read here in some time. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #32
And on the weekends he and Barack Obama are in a quilting circle together! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #33
When he's not letting Bernie Sanders write the IRS report. nt geek tragedy Nov 2013 #37
I never claimed that and you know it Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #36
your words re: Darrell Issa's report geek tragedy Nov 2013 #39
There is a big difference between the entire report Luminous Animal Nov 2013 #42
Your CYA is failing miserably. Minority on the committee writes its own report. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #44
Would the word substandard insurance be better to use for cancellations Lifelong Dem Nov 2013 #57
Now lets watch and see who cozies up to this post....should be a quite interesting VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #28
YOU ROCK! Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #46
Gee, they doubled prices and got the govt to pay the difference. How could that be a scam? BlueStreak Nov 2013 #41
K&R....Thanks for posting it red dog 1 Nov 2013 #53
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