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jeff47

(26,549 posts)
62. 8% is an outlier.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 07:04 PM
Dec 2013

The fact that it's a relatively common disease doesn't make it normal physiology.

More to the point, people on the actual low-fat diet as originally proscribed would be very unlikely to be diabetic. Because it was pretty damn close to the diet proscribed by low-carb. Yes, you alter the fat/carb balance, but the main thing were reduced total calorie intake, including carbs.

What happens is people apply a nice marketing label, such as "low fat". And now, "low carb". And people will believe that individual food is the problem. "Sure, the 'low fat' version of the food is 10 more calories, but it's low fat so I can eat it!"

We are going down the same road with low carb. In 5-10 years, "low carb" will be splattered all over the boxes of plenty of unhealthy food - "go ahead and eat 18oz steaks! They're low carb!"

And in about 40 years, we'll be talking about how wrong "low carb" was, because people were selecting food only on it's carb content instead of it's overall content. Then a new evil will take carb's place.

Or we could be teaching people to pay attention to everything they eat. It doesn't require counting exactly how many calories, just having a rough idea of what's in a meal will let you get close enough to a good target for your body.

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Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #1
Thanks, Laelth! supernova Dec 2013 #2
I have been convinced since about 1997 that Atkins was right. Laelth Dec 2013 #74
Are those deep fried balls of fat? immoderate Dec 2013 #3
Swedish Meatballs supernova Dec 2013 #4
Thanks. immoderate Dec 2013 #5
SM are good! supernova Dec 2013 #6
+1. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #75
Maybe nasty IS delicious. longship Dec 2013 #7
I sub minced mushroom for cracker or bread crumbs. Works great. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #11
Mushrooms are a good option supernova Dec 2013 #12
I've seen some recipes that add in quinoa or cheese instead of the breadcrumbs. n/t woodsprite Dec 2013 #19
Cheese is good quinoa is a no go supernova Dec 2013 #23
Rats!!! I thought quinoa was a 'safer' choice :( woodsprite Dec 2013 #29
Ouch! supernova Dec 2013 #34
LOL mzmolly Dec 2013 #22
Gotta start somewhere BillfromIL Dec 2013 #8
welcome to DU - similar journey for me... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #9
Welcome--what a great first post!!! And good for YOU... MADem Dec 2013 #10
Welcome to DU, BillfromIL supernova Dec 2013 #13
Welcome to DU! LeftofObama Dec 2013 #15
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Dec 2013 #18
Wow, that is fantastic... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #33
Don't apologize for giving me inspiration, Bill! Not Sure Dec 2013 #35
Welcome to DU. davidwparker Dec 2013 #50
+1 GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #77
Welcome to DU KurtNYC Dec 2013 #83
Congrats and welcome Doctor_J Dec 2013 #85
Thanks to all for the warm welcome and kind words. BillfromIL Dec 2013 #93
great! Locrian Dec 2013 #14
That would be nice supernova Dec 2013 #16
Yay! Time to move to the next miracle diet! jeff47 Dec 2013 #17
Wow, you're completely missing the point supernova Dec 2013 #21
Nope. I'm not. jeff47 Dec 2013 #27
And the tired old meme of calories in, calories sense Dec 2013 #30
And here comes the extreme situations, declaring themselves the normal case. jeff47 Dec 2013 #32
Type ll is not extreme, it's epidemic. sense Dec 2013 #37
It's extreme because you're treating an underlying medical condition. jeff47 Dec 2013 #61
Obviously you haven't viewed it. sense Dec 2013 #71
The fact that they don't talk about calorie restriction does not mean calorie restriction is jeff47 Dec 2013 #80
There is no calorie restriction. sense Dec 2013 #90
If I eat 5000 calories of low-carb food a day, I will die from being overweight. jeff47 Dec 2013 #91
HFLC isn't about eating mostly plants. That may be your agenda. sense Dec 2013 #94
I think you just won for dumbest argument. jeff47 Dec 2013 #97
Confirmation. sense Dec 2013 #98
Here's the problem though supernova Dec 2013 #39
8% is an outlier. jeff47 Dec 2013 #62
You really are missing the point supernova Dec 2013 #66
No, I get the point. You're missing what will happen when marketing gets a hold of it. jeff47 Dec 2013 #82
Nice post santroy79 Dec 2013 #46
Oh, we understand him/her perfectly supernova Dec 2013 #49
And there's science behind low-fat too. jeff47 Dec 2013 #63
Actually, the "science" behind sense Dec 2013 #72
No, the science behind it as a weight loss system is still just fine. jeff47 Dec 2013 #79
thank you for the welcome santroy79 Dec 2013 #68
miracle diet.........maybe. BillfromIL Dec 2013 #53
Except it isn't a low-carb diet that does that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #60
Calories is a good starting point,but you're not taking insulin and metabolic syndrome into account. TroubleMan Dec 2013 #70
Great post! sense Dec 2013 #73
You touched on the point I've been trying to make jeff47 Dec 2013 #81
Actually there's several manufacturers already doing that. Your fear has already been realized. TroubleMan Dec 2013 #89
How bout "whole diet" or any other label that actually encompases the most important detail? jeff47 Dec 2013 #92
The Allopaths once again take another hit. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #20
Most people on LCHF supernova Dec 2013 #25
At one point I was taking 8 prescriptions daily. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #58
Great! sense Dec 2013 #95
Indeed. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #96
Come on, no more Ikea ginger snaps?? klook Dec 2013 #24
LOL! supernova Dec 2013 #28
Here's a yummy replacement: sense Dec 2013 #31
Yep. Atkins was right. stopbush Dec 2013 #26
He certainly had the basic concept right supernova Dec 2013 #36
I dropped 50 pounds on Atkins about 15 years ago. stopbush Dec 2013 #41
Just a fad revisited BlueinOhio Dec 2013 #42
Wow, 1000 lbs of ignorance in less than 70 words. supernova Dec 2013 #44
funny Locrian Dec 2013 #45
Perhaps you missed the part where the Gov. sense Dec 2013 #51
They must be doing something right bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #38
Thumbs up! BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #40
Glad to see your family supernova Dec 2013 #47
Absolutely! BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #54
That's essentially my diet, and I've not been in such good shape closeupready Dec 2013 #43
Glad that you are supernova Dec 2013 #48
So, Atkins was right, after all..... Th1onein Dec 2013 #52
I hope he would be supernova Dec 2013 #55
I have been mostly on low-carb for about 40 years. djean111 Dec 2013 #56
Congratulations! BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #57
Congrats X2 BillfromIL Dec 2013 #59
Interesting -- I have the same results with a low-fat, moderate-carb diet. klook Dec 2013 #78
Mrs. 1SBM ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #64
Congrats to Mrs 1SBM supernova Dec 2013 #67
I know she does ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #69
That has been my experience Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #65
all diets are doomed to fail Skittles Dec 2013 #76
Personally, I don't refer to HCLF as "diet" supernova Dec 2013 #84
Well played supernova BillfromIL Dec 2013 #86
of course it is a diet Skittles Dec 2013 #87
That seems consistent with the glycemic index kristopher Dec 2013 #88
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