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jeff47

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91. If I eat 5000 calories of low-carb food a day, I will die from being overweight.
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 01:35 PM
Dec 2013

The actual cause of death will be one of the things that happens from being massively overweight, even though I was eating a "low carb" diet.

Point being there is a calorie restriction because of the food selection for the diet. You aren't going to eat 5000 calories of vegetables a day because of the massive quantity of vegetables that requires - about 66 lbs of Romaine lettuce, for example.

It's the entirety of the diet that is important. Applying an oversimplified label to the diet undoes that.

And yes, I'm well aware that we're speaking of "diet" in the long-term context....because that's what I've been doing all this time.

And no one is suggesting that anyone eat from a box!

By oversimplifying the diet to "low-carb" you are. There's a ton of other details about the diet, but you are hyping only one part.

Marketing will follow your path. Boxes of crap will proudly display "Low Carb!" on their labels. Just like boxes of crap proudly displayed "Low Fat!" on their labels. People will only learn about the buzzword, and not follow the rest of the diet. Just like with "low fat". And in about 20 years, people will be talking about the failure of "low carb" diets, treating the buzzword as the only element of the diet. Just like you are with "low fat".

Your calling my insistence on a factual presentation evangelism is very telling.

It's evangelism because you are not willing to consider criticism of your approach. I'm saying the entirety of the diet is the important part, and you are attacking me because the entirety of the diet is the important part...but want to apply a catchy label.

but telling people that changing their way of eating can't work to improve their health because someone, somewhere will choose to eat processed food in place of real food is really clutching at straws.

Good thing I'm not doing that then.

I'm saying changing one's way of eating can greatly improve one's health. I'm also saying that declaring "low carb" the important part will fail. Because by declaring "low carb" the important part, you are oversimplifying the diet to the point of uselessness.

The important thing is to eat a moderate amount of food, mostly plants. This is the fundamentals of the "low carb" diet you are evangelizing. This is also the actual fundamentals of the "low fat" diet you are attacking. But you are attacking the buzzword instead of the details, because the buzzword is all people know.

What do you expect to happen when you plaster the "low carb" buzzword to your diet? You should expect the exact same results - people will only know the buzzword, and will not learn about the rest of the diet.

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Hear, hear! k&r n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #1
Thanks, Laelth! supernova Dec 2013 #2
I have been convinced since about 1997 that Atkins was right. Laelth Dec 2013 #74
Are those deep fried balls of fat? immoderate Dec 2013 #3
Swedish Meatballs supernova Dec 2013 #4
Thanks. immoderate Dec 2013 #5
SM are good! supernova Dec 2013 #6
+1. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #75
Maybe nasty IS delicious. longship Dec 2013 #7
I sub minced mushroom for cracker or bread crumbs. Works great. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #11
Mushrooms are a good option supernova Dec 2013 #12
I've seen some recipes that add in quinoa or cheese instead of the breadcrumbs. n/t woodsprite Dec 2013 #19
Cheese is good quinoa is a no go supernova Dec 2013 #23
Rats!!! I thought quinoa was a 'safer' choice :( woodsprite Dec 2013 #29
Ouch! supernova Dec 2013 #34
LOL mzmolly Dec 2013 #22
Gotta start somewhere BillfromIL Dec 2013 #8
welcome to DU - similar journey for me... NRaleighLiberal Dec 2013 #9
Welcome--what a great first post!!! And good for YOU... MADem Dec 2013 #10
Welcome to DU, BillfromIL supernova Dec 2013 #13
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Wow, that is fantastic... CoffeeCat Dec 2013 #33
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+1 GeorgeGist Dec 2013 #77
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Congrats and welcome Doctor_J Dec 2013 #85
Thanks to all for the warm welcome and kind words. BillfromIL Dec 2013 #93
great! Locrian Dec 2013 #14
That would be nice supernova Dec 2013 #16
Yay! Time to move to the next miracle diet! jeff47 Dec 2013 #17
Wow, you're completely missing the point supernova Dec 2013 #21
Nope. I'm not. jeff47 Dec 2013 #27
And the tired old meme of calories in, calories sense Dec 2013 #30
And here comes the extreme situations, declaring themselves the normal case. jeff47 Dec 2013 #32
Type ll is not extreme, it's epidemic. sense Dec 2013 #37
It's extreme because you're treating an underlying medical condition. jeff47 Dec 2013 #61
Obviously you haven't viewed it. sense Dec 2013 #71
The fact that they don't talk about calorie restriction does not mean calorie restriction is jeff47 Dec 2013 #80
There is no calorie restriction. sense Dec 2013 #90
If I eat 5000 calories of low-carb food a day, I will die from being overweight. jeff47 Dec 2013 #91
HFLC isn't about eating mostly plants. That may be your agenda. sense Dec 2013 #94
I think you just won for dumbest argument. jeff47 Dec 2013 #97
Confirmation. sense Dec 2013 #98
Here's the problem though supernova Dec 2013 #39
8% is an outlier. jeff47 Dec 2013 #62
You really are missing the point supernova Dec 2013 #66
No, I get the point. You're missing what will happen when marketing gets a hold of it. jeff47 Dec 2013 #82
Nice post santroy79 Dec 2013 #46
Oh, we understand him/her perfectly supernova Dec 2013 #49
And there's science behind low-fat too. jeff47 Dec 2013 #63
Actually, the "science" behind sense Dec 2013 #72
No, the science behind it as a weight loss system is still just fine. jeff47 Dec 2013 #79
thank you for the welcome santroy79 Dec 2013 #68
miracle diet.........maybe. BillfromIL Dec 2013 #53
Except it isn't a low-carb diet that does that. jeff47 Dec 2013 #60
Calories is a good starting point,but you're not taking insulin and metabolic syndrome into account. TroubleMan Dec 2013 #70
Great post! sense Dec 2013 #73
You touched on the point I've been trying to make jeff47 Dec 2013 #81
Actually there's several manufacturers already doing that. Your fear has already been realized. TroubleMan Dec 2013 #89
How bout "whole diet" or any other label that actually encompases the most important detail? jeff47 Dec 2013 #92
The Allopaths once again take another hit. - K&R n/t DeSwiss Dec 2013 #20
Most people on LCHF supernova Dec 2013 #25
At one point I was taking 8 prescriptions daily. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #58
Great! sense Dec 2013 #95
Indeed. DeSwiss Dec 2013 #96
Come on, no more Ikea ginger snaps?? klook Dec 2013 #24
LOL! supernova Dec 2013 #28
Here's a yummy replacement: sense Dec 2013 #31
Yep. Atkins was right. stopbush Dec 2013 #26
He certainly had the basic concept right supernova Dec 2013 #36
I dropped 50 pounds on Atkins about 15 years ago. stopbush Dec 2013 #41
Just a fad revisited BlueinOhio Dec 2013 #42
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funny Locrian Dec 2013 #45
Perhaps you missed the part where the Gov. sense Dec 2013 #51
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Absolutely! BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #54
That's essentially my diet, and I've not been in such good shape closeupready Dec 2013 #43
Glad that you are supernova Dec 2013 #48
So, Atkins was right, after all..... Th1onein Dec 2013 #52
I hope he would be supernova Dec 2013 #55
I have been mostly on low-carb for about 40 years. djean111 Dec 2013 #56
Congratulations! BrotherIvan Dec 2013 #57
Congrats X2 BillfromIL Dec 2013 #59
Interesting -- I have the same results with a low-fat, moderate-carb diet. klook Dec 2013 #78
Mrs. 1SBM ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #64
Congrats to Mrs 1SBM supernova Dec 2013 #67
I know she does ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #69
That has been my experience Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #65
all diets are doomed to fail Skittles Dec 2013 #76
Personally, I don't refer to HCLF as "diet" supernova Dec 2013 #84
Well played supernova BillfromIL Dec 2013 #86
of course it is a diet Skittles Dec 2013 #87
That seems consistent with the glycemic index kristopher Dec 2013 #88
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