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eridani

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53. Does anyone else want to puke until you can't puke anymore about this defense of--
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 05:38 AM
Jan 2012

--the Grand Bargain in "entitlement" "reform"? In Sullivan's fluffy pink bunnyland, the worst midterm slaughter of the president's party in modern times apparently never happened. Behold the bitter fruits of the "Grand Bargain"

Social Security and the Future of the Democratic Party
Preliminary research from Strengthen Social Security

1. Public support for Social Security is very high – it is a core value for people so Democrats take it away at their peril.
• Numerous surveys show that 75% to 80% oppose cutting Social Security benefits to reduce the federal deficit. The public understands it has no relationship to the federal deficit because they pay special taxes for it.
• 2010 election eve/day poll showed STRONG opposition to Social Security cuts – 73% Democrats, 72% Independents, 72% Republicans, 61% Tea Party.
• 7 out of 10 voters oppose raising the retirement age. It is especially strong among blue collar voters: non-college men and especially non-college women, which are core labor constituencies in the key battleground states.


2. Democrats have limited credibility on Social Security issue at this point in time.
• Democrats used to crush Republicans when voters were asked: who do you trust to better handle Social Security? Today, they are losing badly to Republicans.
• Election Day 2010 voters favored Republicans on Social Security 31% to 28%. But
• Oct. 2006 poll: 48% Democrats to 20% Republicans
• Oct 2002 poll: 43% Democrats to 20% Republicans
• Oct. 1998 poll: 44% Democrats to 21% Republicans
• Same pattern is true for Presidents:
Obama on 2010 Election Day: Voters said Republicans could be more trusted than Obama on Social Security by 33% to 26%.
• Bush in 2005: Democrats in Congress were favored over Bush on Social Security by 50% to 37%.
• Clinton in 1995: He was favored over Republicans in handling Social Security by 53% to 34%.


3. A damaged Democratic brand on Social Security will spell electoral disaster in 2012 and beyond.[This section is still being researched; we are looking at Senate races to make the strongest case. Obama believes he can win in 2012 even with a large loss among seniors, as long as he comes close to replicating his large surge in 2008 (a big if), although they have not said how large the seniors loss can be.]
• Democrats will not win seniors in 2012, but we must hold down our losses to a manageable level – maybe a 10% advantage for Republicans – if we are to hold (or at least minimize losses in the Senate and make up lost ground in the House.
• 2006: Republicans had no advantage among seniors – 49%-49%, when Democrats won big in congressional races.
• 2010: Republicans had a 21% point advantage among seniors – 59% vs. 38%.
• 2008: Republicans had an 8% point advantage among seniors – 53% vs. 45% in a wave election favoring Democrats
• 2004: Republicans had a 5% point advantage among seniors – 52% to 47%
• 2000: Democrats had a 3% point advantage among seniors – 50% to 47%
• 1996: Democrats had a 7% point advantage among seniors – 50% to 43%
• Beyond 2012, Republicans will have an easier time garnering the support of baby boomers if Democratic support for Social Security becomes blurred, an outcome that could impact national politics for many years.


4. Cutting Social Security will demoralize the Democratic base.
• It will be very hard to motivate activists in the party if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security. It will be seen as a betrayal of everything we have worked decades for.
• For unions in particular, the union leader’s credibility with its
own members will be at great risk if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security.


5. The President can and should build support for his reelection and congressional Democrats by embracing Social Security as a crucial component of the economic security of American families. He should emphasize that:
• In an economy that is increasingly risky, it is the only program American families can count on to provide effective life insurance for their young children, disability insurance and retirement protection.
• Social Security as a core part of his commitment to protecting the middle class.


6. Protecting Social Security would be a bipartisan bonanza for the President and regain ground lost due to Republicans on Medicare.
• The President wants to be seen as working with Republicans. Why not ask them to join him in pledging to not cut Social Security. He will hit a grand slam with the public, which wants no cuts to the program and would like both parties to work together to protect the program. It will be a surprise move to the Republicans and put them in a box.
Republicans were very effective in the 2010 campaign skewering Democrats as Medicare cutters. This was probably the single greatest attack Republicans had on Democrats with older voters. This could happen again with Social Security. The way to get this age group back is to go on offense on Social Security.


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Andrew Sullivan wrote this?!? Wow! peacebird Jan 2012 #1
Andy Sullivan is a strong Obama supporter. He also voted for John Kerry in 2004. Here's one Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #2
Thank yoy, I didn't know that. peacebird Jan 2012 #3
Well, actually.... NWHarkness Jan 2012 #7
Do you mind sending me a link? I'd like to read and also send to some conservative Sully fans. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #30
Sully is a con who was driven from the GOP by Bush Doctor_J Jan 2012 #14
+10 RC Jan 2012 #18
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #28
Wait a minute. Why are you attacking me? I obviously did not know Sully's views. I'm open Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #32
I didn't Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #33
No, the point for sending it to the conservative folks who like Sully is that they didn't know about Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #34
Which side would that be? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #35
Your rude posts really irritate me and turn me off, so I'll put you on Ignore now. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #36
Well... Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #37
Recommended reading-thanks! Sullivan babylonsister Jan 2012 #4
I think this is great and not just for centrists and independents OKNancy Jan 2012 #5
I love that sentence too (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2012 #13
For that sentence alone, it is a great read. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2012 #22
No significant scandal to his name??? The Vrude Jan 2012 #24
Those may be atrocious actions, but they're not considered "scandals" usrname Jan 2012 #26
Atrocious, not scandals? The Vrude Jan 2012 #27
The corporate media didn't define it as such, so no scandal Xtraneous Jan 2012 #42
The Washington Times DallasNE Jan 2012 #29
Oh, so because the Washington Times The Vrude Jan 2012 #31
Once Again, Off Topic DallasNE Jan 2012 #44
How the heck am I off topic? The Vrude Jan 2012 #45
Umm.....When exactly did he "Attack Libya"?? cliffordu Jan 2012 #43
You're joking right? The Vrude Jan 2012 #46
A date would be nice. cliffordu Jan 2012 #47
I take it that... The Vrude Jan 2012 #48
True dat. Why bother? cliffordu Jan 2012 #49
Did you watch or read a damn thing I linked to? The Vrude Jan 2012 #50
Thanks for posting! n/t BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #6
You sound like another blue links-using Obamabot apologist! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #8
Alas, my links are blue just like everyone else's. Skinner Jan 2012 #10
Ironically, a blue link means the reader has never looked at it muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #12
Perfectly said. Perfect Number23 Jan 2012 #38
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #9
K&R. If I could bookmark this, I would. DinahMoeHum Jan 2012 #11
Wow. bemildred Jan 2012 #15
k & r and thanks pamela Jan 2012 #16
Outstanding article by Andrew Sullivan. jaxx Jan 2012 #17
I think Andrew hits it on the money........... Historic NY Jan 2012 #19
Great find. sellitman Jan 2012 #20
"Their short-term outbursts have missed Obamas long game...." BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #21
But the President is a super progressive libereal! progressoid Jan 2012 #23
I think this states the case very well. Kablooie Jan 2012 #25
Kick Omaha Steve Jan 2012 #39
K&R...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #40
Sorry I can't help you Skinner. I don't have any centrist friends. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #41
Health care reform helped to cost us the 2010 election eridani Jan 2012 #54
The notion of some longterm economic game is just utter tripe eridani Jan 2012 #51
Well, I'm a DUer and a liberal lillypaddle Jan 2012 #52
Does anyone else want to puke until you can't puke anymore about this defense of-- eridani Jan 2012 #53
Magnificent series of posts, eridani. Kaleko Jan 2012 #55
Thanks, but as far as refutation so far-- eridani Jan 2012 #57
Of course. Kaleko Jan 2012 #59
So, MSM propaganda, Koch bros spending *$30 million*, and it's Obama/Democrats... joshcryer Jan 2012 #60
The delusion was successful because Democrats refused to use countermessaging eridani Jan 2012 #61
Obama *campaigned on the deficit.* joshcryer Jan 2012 #62
And that is what is destroying us among voters. Thanks ever so much. eridani Jan 2012 #63
They might have "voted" but they didn't GOTV, which is far more important. joshcryer Jan 2012 #64
They got out more votes because they successfully faked being defenders of Medicare eridani Jan 2012 #65
And how did they "successfully fake being defenders of Medicare"? joshcryer Jan 2012 #66
The Commission's point was to put attacking Social Security and Medicare on the table eridani Jan 2012 #67
It was never "on the table." It was never put up to a vote. It never got out of committee. joshcryer Jan 2012 #68
Focusing on his dumbest critics zipplewrath Jan 2012 #56
Except that the left critiques happen to be persuasive eridani Jan 2012 #58
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