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eridani

(51,907 posts)
54. Health care reform helped to cost us the 2010 election
Tue Jan 17, 2012, 07:20 AM
Jan 2012

Not as policy per se, but because of the utterly stupid tactics used to defend it. I quit going to OFA's useless strategy sessions when all they were able to come up with was silly pissy little lists of microconstituencies who benefitted from PPACA, as if the general voting public actually gave a flying fuck about charts and graphs. The tactic amounted to rowing a couple of boats out to rescue 100 drowing people, having one boat take 10 of them on board, and the other one featuring a guy with a bullhorn bragging to the remaining 90 about how wonderful he was to save 10 people. What most people noticed about PPACA was that insurance companies continued to screw them, with premiums skyrocketing and benefits decreasing.

Those things were bad enough, but what really destroyed us was allowing the Republicans to successfully attack PPACA as cutting Medicare. That this was a lie (it only cut subsidies to private Medicare Advantage plans) was irrelevant. What was relevant was that Obama and Democrats in gereral absolutely refused to defend the more successful GOVERNMENT traditional Medicare and point out that if the private plans could do it better and cheaper, why would they need subsidies? This refusal led to devastating losses in the more reliable senior demographic.

To be sure, it's pretty near impossible to defend PPACA on a foundation of basic values, because the value it is based on is one of our most disgusting and despicable ones--namely that people deserve health care on the basis of how much money they have. Instead of just Americans, there are now Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze Americans, in descending order of worth. Not to mention the Lead category for people 50-64 who are privileged to pay three times as much at any level. 23-26 year olds whose parents have insurance and can afford to add them deserve health care; those whose parents can't, don't. Affluent sick people who can afford the outrageous premiums of the high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions deserve heatlh care; those who can't, don't.

Massachusetts gives us a clue about the disaster that is going to be visited on older sick people not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. The MA reform is actually popular, but only among the 85% majority who haven't yet been expensively sick. (In every age group, 5% of the population accounts for 50% of all health care costs and 15% account for 85% of costs.) The healthy folks can afford to be delusional, their opinions about how good their coverage is being worth about what their opinions about how good their fire extinguishers are--that is to say not much.

What is happening to the sick you can judge from the before and after medical bankruptcy data. Before reform, 59% of bankruptcies in MA were related to health care; now 50% are. The crappy high deductible insurance that is the only kind older lower income people can afford actively prevents people from getting health care. After you pay the insurance company for essentially nothing (in the absence of catastrophic illness), you have nothing left to pay for a doctor visit. What we can look forward to with the implementation of PPACA is the continued bankrupting and killing of sick people, only at a lower level.

Sure, it "bends the cost curve," but only for the government. It does so by taking the savings out of the hides of sick people. Sullivan's defense of this is utterly clueless.

Andrew Sullivan wrote this?!? Wow! peacebird Jan 2012 #1
Andy Sullivan is a strong Obama supporter. He also voted for John Kerry in 2004. Here's one Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #2
Thank yoy, I didn't know that. peacebird Jan 2012 #3
Well, actually.... NWHarkness Jan 2012 #7
Do you mind sending me a link? I'd like to read and also send to some conservative Sully fans. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #30
Sully is a con who was driven from the GOP by Bush Doctor_J Jan 2012 #14
+10 RC Jan 2012 #18
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #28
Wait a minute. Why are you attacking me? I obviously did not know Sully's views. I'm open Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #32
I didn't Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #33
No, the point for sending it to the conservative folks who like Sully is that they didn't know about Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #34
Which side would that be? Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #35
Your rude posts really irritate me and turn me off, so I'll put you on Ignore now. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2012 #36
Well... Plantsmantx Jan 2012 #37
Recommended reading-thanks! Sullivan babylonsister Jan 2012 #4
I think this is great and not just for centrists and independents OKNancy Jan 2012 #5
I love that sentence too (nt) Tumbulu Jan 2012 #13
For that sentence alone, it is a great read. eom BlueMTexpat Jan 2012 #22
No significant scandal to his name??? The Vrude Jan 2012 #24
Those may be atrocious actions, but they're not considered "scandals" usrname Jan 2012 #26
Atrocious, not scandals? The Vrude Jan 2012 #27
The corporate media didn't define it as such, so no scandal Xtraneous Jan 2012 #42
The Washington Times DallasNE Jan 2012 #29
Oh, so because the Washington Times The Vrude Jan 2012 #31
Once Again, Off Topic DallasNE Jan 2012 #44
How the heck am I off topic? The Vrude Jan 2012 #45
Umm.....When exactly did he "Attack Libya"?? cliffordu Jan 2012 #43
You're joking right? The Vrude Jan 2012 #46
A date would be nice. cliffordu Jan 2012 #47
I take it that... The Vrude Jan 2012 #48
True dat. Why bother? cliffordu Jan 2012 #49
Did you watch or read a damn thing I linked to? The Vrude Jan 2012 #50
Thanks for posting! n/t BumRushDaShow Jan 2012 #6
You sound like another blue links-using Obamabot apologist! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #8
Alas, my links are blue just like everyone else's. Skinner Jan 2012 #10
Ironically, a blue link means the reader has never looked at it muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #12
Perfectly said. Perfect Number23 Jan 2012 #38
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #9
K&R. If I could bookmark this, I would. DinahMoeHum Jan 2012 #11
Wow. bemildred Jan 2012 #15
k & r and thanks pamela Jan 2012 #16
Outstanding article by Andrew Sullivan. jaxx Jan 2012 #17
I think Andrew hits it on the money........... Historic NY Jan 2012 #19
Great find. sellitman Jan 2012 #20
"Their short-term outbursts have missed Obamas long game...." BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #21
But the President is a super progressive libereal! progressoid Jan 2012 #23
I think this states the case very well. Kablooie Jan 2012 #25
Kick Omaha Steve Jan 2012 #39
K&R...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #40
Sorry I can't help you Skinner. I don't have any centrist friends. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #41
Health care reform helped to cost us the 2010 election eridani Jan 2012 #54
The notion of some longterm economic game is just utter tripe eridani Jan 2012 #51
Well, I'm a DUer and a liberal lillypaddle Jan 2012 #52
Does anyone else want to puke until you can't puke anymore about this defense of-- eridani Jan 2012 #53
Magnificent series of posts, eridani. Kaleko Jan 2012 #55
Thanks, but as far as refutation so far-- eridani Jan 2012 #57
Of course. Kaleko Jan 2012 #59
So, MSM propaganda, Koch bros spending *$30 million*, and it's Obama/Democrats... joshcryer Jan 2012 #60
The delusion was successful because Democrats refused to use countermessaging eridani Jan 2012 #61
Obama *campaigned on the deficit.* joshcryer Jan 2012 #62
And that is what is destroying us among voters. Thanks ever so much. eridani Jan 2012 #63
They might have "voted" but they didn't GOTV, which is far more important. joshcryer Jan 2012 #64
They got out more votes because they successfully faked being defenders of Medicare eridani Jan 2012 #65
And how did they "successfully fake being defenders of Medicare"? joshcryer Jan 2012 #66
The Commission's point was to put attacking Social Security and Medicare on the table eridani Jan 2012 #67
It was never "on the table." It was never put up to a vote. It never got out of committee. joshcryer Jan 2012 #68
Focusing on his dumbest critics zipplewrath Jan 2012 #56
Except that the left critiques happen to be persuasive eridani Jan 2012 #58
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