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MADem

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116. Putin did say that--but Snowden has disrupted US diplomatic relations at every turn.

Mon Jan 13, 2014, 12:42 AM

Jan 2014

I do think Putin doesn't mind it when Snowden offers his services to Germany or Brazil, or releases what, on the surface, appears to be disparaging information concerning US intel activities (not illegal, despite Snowden's carping--and they do it to US, too) towards US-allied nations.

He just doesn't want Snowden releasing any information that might damage HIS country--make no mistake. Putin's being selective. He's already gotten a push-back from POTUS....the biggie being "Be nice my envoy, Billie Jean King" because he's not going anywhere near Sochi. And the choice of Obama's Olympic representatives wasn't an accident.

The US Congress isn't giving him any love and as he continues to shit little driblets of "embarrassing" intel activities (that are not illegal), he makes the likelihood that he'll come home with a short sentence even more unlikely. When Sanders (who is the kindest guy in the room) is saying he "violated his oath and he leaked information," and that there is a "price that he must pay," and he needs some jailing, you know he's not a whistleblower--he's just a thief who broke the law.

And yeah--we really DO need to elect more Dems--in the House, to get a majority, and the Senate, to secure a safe majority. If we could plus-up our governors, too, that would be flat-out grand.

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Snowden: the case for prosecution (The Economist | Jan 10th 2014) [View all] struggle4progress Jan 2014 OP

...he saw stuff he didn�t like, and worried about where it was heading... MADem Jan 2014 #1

^^This!^^^ BlueCaliDem Jan 2014 #5

The Only Harm Snowden Has Done To The Empire Is Bruising The Egos Of Oligarchs And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #2

Cute sloganeering is a crude substitute for detailed analysis based on actual facts struggle4progress Jan 2014 #7

The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Jan 2014 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #8

Actually, snot Jan 2014 #3

yep grasswire Jan 2014 #4

+1 blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #9

Like what? nt MADem Jan 2014 #6

How About Wanton Desecration Of The 4th Amendment As A Start cantbeserious Jan 2014 #11

You'll, of course, point me to the court ruling that made that determination? MADem Jan 2014 #15

Most American School Children Learn Of The Sanctity Of The US Constitution In Grade School cantbeserious Jan 2014 #16

Apparently you slept through the lesson on how the constitutionality of an action is determined? MADem Jan 2014 #18

And Apparently A Stacked Conservative FISA Court Is Something One Missed As Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #19

Write your Senator, now! Demand advise and consent review! That's the American way! nt MADem Jan 2014 #21

Occupy Wall Street Taught The 99% That American Democracy Is Dead cantbeserious Jan 2014 #22

No, it taught some campers that libertarians and anarchists can be disruptive for a brief period of MADem Jan 2014 #23

Long Time DUers Defending The Empire And Oligarchs - Fascinating cantbeserious Jan 2014 #24

Apparently you don't quite "get" the goal of DU--we're here to elect more Democrats and fewer MADem Jan 2014 #27

Some Here Are Progressives - For Those The Goal Is Social Justice - Not Defense Of The Realm cantbeserious Jan 2014 #28

More "empire" references. You're aptly named. MADem Jan 2014 #29

The First Of The Logical Fallacies - Ad Hominen Attacks - Attacking A User Name cantbeserious Jan 2014 #31

Way to avoid the point I made, that you did not, apparently read the link offered. MADem Jan 2014 #35

And One Is Defending A Two Party System That Defends And Justifies The 1% And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #36

Ah, we're back to the "Evil Empire" again. And "minions" no less! MADem Jan 2014 #44

Fascinating That One Continues To Defend Empire And The 1% At The Expense Of The 99% cantbeserious Jan 2014 #49

Fascinating that one avoids the topic of conversation in favor of sweeping generalizations about MADem Jan 2014 #54

Fascinating That One Still Continues To Defend The Empire And Their Minions cantbeserious Jan 2014 #56

Outta gas, eh? I'm doing no such thing, and you pretending I am is not supported by my comments. MADem Jan 2014 #67

Not Out Of Gas At All - Please Continue - Though You Have Stated Your Case On Snowden cantbeserious Jan 2014 #70

You'll have to go back to post fifty four and provide an actual response if we're to go on. nt MADem Jan 2014 #76

My Response Is That Snowden Is A Whistle Blower - Please Continue cantbeserious Jan 2014 #78

He's not. He's a thief who stole secrets and ran to Russia via China with them, who hid MADem Jan 2014 #80

And You Can Prove This How - No Evidence To Support The Stated Claims - Opinion Only cantbeserious Jan 2014 #83

You need to keep up--he **admitted** that he stole that stuff. Watch his interviews in HK. MADem Jan 2014 #90

Yes - Whistle Blowers Steel Stuff - Have You Ever Heard Of The Pentagon Papers cantbeserious Jan 2014 #92

He's no Ellsberg--but nice attempt at deflection. You do that a lot, I see. MADem Jan 2014 #98

No Deflection Required - Just History cantbeserious Jan 2014 #99

OK, so your definition of "deflection" is "history." MADem Jan 2014 #101

No Deflection - Just History - Whistle Blowers Steal Stuff cantbeserious Jan 2014 #104

I see you have run out of gas. You're sputtering. MADem Jan 2014 #107

No Sputtering - How Long Would You Like To Discuss Your Opinion cantbeserious Jan 2014 #110

How long would you like to turn the ignition and cough ineffectually? nt MADem Jan 2014 #117

As Long As You Like cantbeserious Jan 2014 #122

It's not me that will need a new starter... nt MADem Jan 2014 #137

My Batteries Are Still Running cantbeserious Jan 2014 #139

Why do you care about the Fourth Amendment? treestar Jan 2014 #141

Why Do I Care ... cantbeserious Jan 2014 #142

If you really think it's gone, because the banksters have taken over treestar Jan 2014 #155

Yes - It Is Gone - And Now Our Privacy Is Gone As Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #156

Looks like you put together a very depressing picture for yourself treestar Jan 2014 #158

Not Depressing For One - Depressing For All cantbeserious Jan 2014 #159

To change the FISA court, or the rules governing it, will require our control of Congress struggle4progress Jan 2014 #47

That One Still Believes In The Rule Of Law And Establishment Processes Of Power Setup For The 1% cantbeserious Jan 2014 #50

What appeals to you, it seems, is a certain way of sneering knowingly, which permits you struggle4progress Jan 2014 #66

Pretty Presumptuous Reply - Have A Listen To Chris Hedges - He Sums Up Matters Well cantbeserious Jan 2014 #68

It doesn't help.�It's abstract and generic. It teaches nothing about the actual mechanics struggle4progress Jan 2014 #72

Too Sad That One Is Unwilling To Learn More About Hedges - He Speaks Of Mechanics Often cantbeserious Jan 2014 #89

Hedges is a NYT war pimp, and "eom" goes in the subject line, not the message. ucrdem Jan 2014 #94

Labeling Hedges A War Pimp Is Amazing - One Presumes That War Reporting Is Not Valued cantbeserious Jan 2014 #96

No. Hedges is a very bright man, who trained as a theologian and then spent most of his adult life struggle4progress Jan 2014 #113

Thank You For Your Opinion - Others Would Disagree With This Assessment In General cantbeserious Jan 2014 #114

You are killin' it, MA! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #38

Heh....I live in the real world! MADem Jan 2014 #45

When Digging A Hole In Defense Of The 1% Has Been Dug - Best To Stop Digging cantbeserious Jan 2014 #52

You're digging a hole when you keep whining about "the one percent." MADem Jan 2014 #55

Fascinating That One Would Willing Give Up Liberty For Safety - Ben Franklin Says cantbeserious Jan 2014 #57

Yeah, let's misquote Ben Franklin, now! MADem Jan 2014 #60

That One Believes That Snowden Is Not A Whistle Blower Has Been Made Clear cantbeserious Jan 2014 #61

Indeed. He's not one, not anymore--if ever. nt MADem Jan 2014 #63

Your Opinion - And Your Opinion Only - Others Will Disagree cantbeserious Jan 2014 #65

Well, not Bernie Sanders, or Rand Paul, or Elizabeth Warren...they don't disagree. MADem Jan 2014 #69

It Is Your Opinion - If You Choose To Hide Behind The Opinion Of Others - That Is Your Choice cantbeserious Jan 2014 #71

Hide behind? More like stand beside, but whatever. nt MADem Jan 2014 #74

Good To See How Ones Opinions Are Formed cantbeserious Jan 2014 #75

It's rather simplistic to assume that association is causation--it's not. nt MADem Jan 2014 #77

If You Do Associate With The Stated Opinion Makers - Please Elaborate cantbeserious Jan 2014 #81

I agree with them that Snowden's path back to USA is through a stint in jail. nt MADem Jan 2014 #82

Your Opinion - And Your Opinion Only cantbeserious Jan 2014 #85

You're doing that parrot thing again. nt MADem Jan 2014 #86

You Are The One That Wants To Restate Your Opinion Repeatedly cantbeserious Jan 2014 #88

Well, that's just not accurate. nt MADem Jan 2014 #91

We Know Your Opinion - You Have Stated It Repeatedly cantbeserious Jan 2014 #95

As have you. nt MADem Jan 2014 #103

I Am Not The One Arguing Your Opinion - You Are - We Know Where You Stand cantbeserious Jan 2014 #106

You aren't arguing at all--you haven't been for some time. MADem Jan 2014 #108

There Is Nothing To Argue - Your Opinion Is Clear - Snowden Is A Criminal - Others Disagree cantbeserious Jan 2014 #111

Well, you got that right--you haven't argued because you don't have an argument...there is, indeed, MADem Jan 2014 #118

Glad To See That That Arguing With Yourself Is Pointless - You Are Free To Argue With Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #120

Considering your use of the royal 'We', mind if i ask where his highness rules? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Jan 2014 #171

Those Reading This Thread And Following Along With The Conversation cantbeserious Jan 2014 #172

Putin might think some of the Snowden materials nilesobek Jan 2014 #112

Binney And Hedges Thoughts About The Snowden Revelations In the US cantbeserious Jan 2014 #115

Putin did say that--but Snowden has disrupted US diplomatic relations at every turn. MADem Jan 2014 #116

And That Matters Why - The Desecration of The 4th Amendment Is Much More Important cantbeserious Jan 2014 #123

So do tell me--you occupy which seat on the Supreme Court? MADem Jan 2014 #126

Deflection - We Now Know Again That The Us Constitution Is Of Little Value To You cantbeserious Jan 2014 #130

No, 'we' don't. Tsk, tsk. Not very good, that one. As the kids say, "fail." nt MADem Jan 2014 #132

You Are The One - By Your Posts - That Advocates For The Desecration of The 4th Amendment cantbeserious Jan 2014 #133

No, I am not. But you're the one who apparently has the idea you're on the Supreme Court--since you MADem Jan 2014 #135

More Deflection - More Deflection cantbeserious Jan 2014 #143

Supportive Cohorts For The 1% Defense Have Arrived - We Look Forward To The Continued Debate cantbeserious Jan 2014 #51

You're the one defending One Percenter Eddie, here--not me. MADem Jan 2014 #58

Snowden's Salary Does Not Qualify As A 1% Member - That Would Be North Of A Quarter Million Per Annum cantbeserious Jan 2014 #59

He took a HUGE pay cut to go steal information at BAH. Worst case, he's in the top TWO percent... MADem Jan 2014 #62

From Wikiepedia - Household Income Distribution cantbeserious Jan 2014 #64

Well, he's at least in the top five, but he was making close to two hundred before he took the pay MADem Jan 2014 #73

So Because He Did Not Set The Salary Levels Within The Corporation He Is Inherently Evil cantbeserious Jan 2014 #79

You--not me--have been the one whining about the Evil One Percenters in this thread. MADem Jan 2014 #84

Please Review - You Are The One That Raised Snowden's Salary As An Issue cantbeserious Jan 2014 #87

You're the one who started whining about evil one percenters in a thread about Snowden, who MADem Jan 2014 #93

Wikipedia Data Refuted That Assertion Up Thread cantbeserious Jan 2014 #97

By your own data, he's a "richy rich." MADem Jan 2014 #100

Not My Data - Data From US Economy - Definitions Provided By Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #102

"Your" data is the data that "you" provided here in this thread. nt MADem Jan 2014 #105

See Wikipedia Link Below - The Same Link Provided Earlier - Data Provided By Others cantbeserious Jan 2014 #109

Yes--the data that YOU provided. nt MADem Jan 2014 #119

Wrong - Data Provided By Wikipedia cantbeserious Jan 2014 #121

Data provided to this thread by YOU. So, sorry--not wrong. MADem Jan 2014 #129

Data Provided By Wikipedia - Attacking The Messenger Is Another Logical Fallacy cantbeserious Jan 2014 #131

Ah, the parrot approach again. You apparently don't understand that pointing out a fact is not an MADem Jan 2014 #134

More Ad Hominen Attack - Labeling People As Parrots cantbeserious Jan 2014 #144

Looks like the fake 99%'rs got here first. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2014 #138

You won't get any examples of systemic illegal practices because the policies weren't illegal. stevenleser Jan 2014 #173

Yes - Very Predictable "Take Down" Journalism - Short On Specifics - Long On Suggestion And Innuendo cantbeserious Jan 2014 #12

And pro-government, typical of the Economist Doctor_J Jan 2014 #14

The 1% Talking To Themselves - Very Similar To The Wall Street Journal cantbeserious Jan 2014 #17

The Economist, in fact, tends to fall on the anti-government libertarian side of the spectrum struggle4progress Jan 2014 #20

And This Assertion Can Be Proven - How cantbeserious Jan 2014 #25

You could, for example, read The Economist cover to cover for a while struggle4progress Jan 2014 #46

Yes, that's a bit of an inconvenient truth. MADem Jan 2014 #30

And Yet No Proof Of The Assertion Has Been Provided cantbeserious Jan 2014 #32

Well, that's kind of like saying "No proof that the sky is blue has been provided." MADem Jan 2014 #34

And Yet - Their Defense Of The Indefensible Belies Their Stated Principles - Seems To Happen Often cantbeserious Jan 2014 #37

I don't think you've supported that statement at all. MADem Jan 2014 #39

Spreading Fear Uncertainty And Doubt Is A Common Journalistic Practice In Use These Days cantbeserious Jan 2014 #40

So, covering both sides of a specific issue while touting a libertarian agenda is spreading FUD? MADem Jan 2014 #43

Any Libertarian Agenda Has Been Raised Solely In One's Reply - FUD Is The Process Of Causing Doubt cantbeserious Jan 2014 #53

No, nice try, though. Your bus is at the Babble stop, now. MADem Jan 2014 #124

More Ad Hominen Attacks - The Logical Fallacies In Play Yet Again cantbeserious Jan 2014 #125

No--you're not making sense and I'm pointing it out. MADem Jan 2014 #127

You Are The One Using Ridicule As A Talking Point cantbeserious Jan 2014 #128

If you feel "ridiculed," perhaps you should re-evaluate your conversational strategy. MADem Jan 2014 #136

Your Truth And My Truth Diverge Sharply cantbeserious Jan 2014 #145

Yeah, sure, whatever you say, there, sport! nt MADem Jan 2014 #146

Ever More Ad Hominen By Way Of Denigrating Comments cantbeserious Jan 2014 #147

Whatever you say, sport! nt MADem Jan 2014 #148

Continued Ad Hominen With Denigrating Personal Comments cantbeserious Jan 2014 #149

Whatever you say, sport! MADem Jan 2014 #150

Ever More And Continued Denigration cantbeserious Jan 2014 #151

Look, I'm giving you attention--if you don't want it, you know what to do. MADem Jan 2014 #152

I Am Merely Responding To A Serial Poster cantbeserious Jan 2014 #153

No, you are seeking me out. You want attention from me. nt MADem Jan 2014 #154

Chuckles cantbeserious Jan 2014 #157

Here's some more attention for you. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #160

Chuckles Again cantbeserious Jan 2014 #161

And more attention. "eom." MADem Jan 2014 #162

Where We Are Today - How We Got Here - Who Sold Us Out cantbeserious Jan 2014 #163

Has nothing to do with the OP, either. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #164

Though You Needed Ever More Attention cantbeserious Jan 2014 #165

That would be you. nt MADem Jan 2014 #166

Seems To This One That You Keep Coming Back For More cantbeserious Jan 2014 #167

That would be you. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #168

One Would Disagree - The Tables Are Turned - The Mirror Is Focused Your Way cantbeserious Jan 2014 #169

No, it's not. "eom" MADem Jan 2014 #170

I think you're thinking of the Financial Times Doctor_J Jan 2014 #42

Hitchens had no particularly consistent political views. Sometimes he called himself a Marxist, and struggle4progress Jan 2014 #48

I agree only if whoever OKed the spying is tried simultaneously Doctor_J Jan 2014 #13

This will be in some of the opening statements in Snowden's trial. There will be much more. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #26

The Economist is a Right-wing, upper crust publication, geared toward the upwardly moneyed folks. RC Jan 2014 #33

It's a Libertarian "I got mine, Eff You" publication. Not "upper crust," though. MADem Jan 2014 #41

Great article treestar Jan 2014 #140