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elzenmahn

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51. Point made - but I still think...

Sun Feb 16, 2014, 07:15 PM

Feb 2014

...that one's actions are a much more accurate measuring stick than their words or "policy positions". Her coziness to the Banks and Big Money don't endear me to her (or for that matter, her husband.) And personally - I'll enthusiastically get behind somebody who will have enough of name-your-gonads to actually put the JAMIE DIMONS and the rest of the banking criminals in prison where they belong. If I felt that a vote for Hillary was a vote against Goldman Sachs and the rest of the fraudsters, then I'd gladly volunteer for her - and those who sympathize or were part of #Occupy would, as well.

But I don't get that from her. I see a Corporate Democrat, a triangulator not that dissimilar from her husband.

As I stated in an earlier post, IF she's the nominee, then yes, I'll vote for her. I'll have to bring a gas mask with me to the polling place, but i'll vote for her.

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Is Hillary Clinton a Neocon-Lite? [View all] Purveyor Feb 2014 OP

HARDLY... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #1

"Hardly" any doubt that she isn't... eom Purveyor Feb 2014 #2

Prove it! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #3

I checked out that site those are some really general issues Ash_F Feb 2014 #12

they use the same ones for everybody..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #13

Well, for one thing, she supported Iraq war vote 2002. Ash_F Feb 2014 #15

that is ONE issue.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #16

Ok, where has she been to the left of Obama? Ash_F Feb 2014 #22

<<Crickets>> blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #24

Your crickets just died! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #50

Look at the site...there are hundreds of issues to look at.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #45

That is not how to make a case. Ash_F Feb 2014 #47

Yes it is...I put up their findings...if you want to question them....go to the link provided VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #49

Um no. Ash_F Feb 2014 #53

Um Yes...the evidence is there.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #57

You are looking at ONE statement made YEARS ago... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #58

And in comparing that list to Obama, how is Obama to the right? /nt Ash_F Feb 2014 #61

Sigh...still doing your work for you....but here you go... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #64

This is not useful Ash_F Feb 2014 #67

not useful because it disagrees with your narrative... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #68

You haven't answered my question yet. Ash_F Feb 2014 #78

this discussion isn't about ME is it? I am not running for office... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #79

Actually, it kinda is... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #80

No it kinda isn't...and I am not allowing that to change the subject sorry to disappoint you... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #81

Not it's not utter bullshit... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #82

YES based on the evidence I supplied...utter bullshit.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #83

Sorry, Vanilla, but my statements stand... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #84

Sorry but MY statement stands...you have hype...I have evidence... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #85

I have no narrative to push... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #86

No none at all....you have NOTHING to back up this "claim" that she is in the pocket of Big Corp.. VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #87

Obama had it easy in 2002 yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #29

Proof? WHAT PROOF? elzenmahn Feb 2014 #44

Quite easy if you stop trying to kill the messenger and LOOK for yourself VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #46

Point made - but I still think... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #51

ACTIONS meaning VOTES are there too! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #59

she is NOT VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #60

Sit On the Wal-mart BOD. imthevicar Feb 2014 #4

Hillary Clinton was on that board for 6 yrs...UNTIL Sam Walton died! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #17

No, It Wasn't... imthevicar Feb 2014 #34

Noooo not true...Sammy tried to buy American made products... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #35

My Bad, It was the Minimum Wage Law Under Kennedy, Not OT, That came later. He was still a bastard! imthevicar Feb 2014 #37

Yeah well....using that to smear Hillary more than 20 yrs later? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #38

RE:Sit On the Wal-mart BOD. POST Did she ever apologize for it? imthevicar Feb 2014 #39

she wasn't there then.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #40

Couldn't you please stop undermining our possible Dem. candidate with right wing talking points. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #5

Now is the best time to air disagreements with possible candidates. Once they announce we are all peacebird Feb 2014 #6

That post wasn't discussing pros and cons Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #8

How will Democrats win the election? Maedhros Feb 2014 #63

But,but,but, there aren't any better than Hillary. Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #74

Electability is not the be-all and end-all of what makes a good candidate. Maedhros Feb 2014 #77

Calling Hillary a Neocon-lite is hardly a "right wing talking point" Fumesucker Feb 2014 #94

That is the point....this woman has been vetted ad nauseum..... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #18

Sadly she is also one of the most polarizing, even among dems. I hate the "inevitability" stuff peacebird Feb 2014 #27

How is Hillary NOT viable with a strong lead over ALL comers? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #65

You choose to pick one word instead of hearing what I said, which was how about multiple viable peacebird Feb 2014 #69

No one is AS viable as she is right now.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #70

Good try. Thanks for playing. i will wait til we have primaries to pick someone to get behind. peacebird Feb 2014 #71

Yeah inevitable as in...NO ONE has EVER had as commanding a lead over the entire field VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #72

If the truth is too Much? imthevicar Feb 2014 #7

Everything that CAN be "truth" thrown at you....has ALREADY been done to death VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #19

A Fact Is Not an Attack. imthevicar Feb 2014 #32

You don't know Republicans then do you? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #73

I don't give a Rat's ass what the GOP thinks. imthevicar Feb 2014 #88

Obviously, you don't give a rat's ass about the truth either VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #89

This sounds like the same thing that was said about Hillary elzenmahn Feb 2014 #14

She HAS earned it! Who has done more???? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #20

I can think of a Few. imthevicar Feb 2014 #33

NOT MORE qualified than Hillary Rodham Clinton....sorry VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48

No she hasn't earned it... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #42

They're not right wing talking points. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #56

She's not the Democratic candidate YET. Maedhros Feb 2014 #62

My, but the primary forum is going to be bloody. aquart Feb 2014 #9

Haven't they all? History repeats, indeed. eom Purveyor Feb 2014 #11

You outright say she is the only woman with the resume for the job.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #21

Who CARES if the pres candidate is a woman or a man? I mean, good grief. How about peacebird Feb 2014 #30

I would say that Elizabeth Warren has a decent resume, at least as good truedelphi Feb 2014 #54

"At least as good.." aquart Feb 2014 #90

Gotta wonder.... seems to me she may have voted with W more than at least some Republicans.... marble falls Feb 2014 #10

I know, rt! CFLDem Feb 2014 #26

War hawk, Queen Blue Dog, DLC/Third Way acolyte, and friendly w/the shadowy RW religious Cult called blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #23

Is this the start of the fun season? sellitman Feb 2014 #25

Yes DiverDave Feb 2014 #28

Hillary Clinton IS a go-along-to-get-along kind of person. Laelth Feb 2014 #31

Precisely... elzenmahn Feb 2014 #43

Oh I can see the primary wars will be fun. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #36

Yes. Chan790 Feb 2014 #41

The Clinton's are at best, Center-Right Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #52

25 percent of Hillary supporters voted for McCain (or said they would) ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #55

I won't vote for her no matter what alarimer Feb 2014 #66

What about woman's rights? What about the SC? Aren't they too important Auntie Bush Feb 2014 #75

+1 mike_c Feb 2014 #76

yes Myrina Feb 2014 #91

Unless she and Bill have changed they are both blue dogs. Tippy Feb 2014 #92

The word you're looking for is 'neoliberal.' unrepentant progress Feb 2014 #93

Hawk regular to hardline. Heavy neolib economics. Moderate socially.. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #95