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BlueStreak

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16. Did he say they would al be Teslas?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 02:05 AM
Feb 2014

Maybe I didn't read carefully enough. A battery factory of that scale could certainly supply product to other manufacturers. There is a fundamental problem. Li-Ion is not progressing very fast. There are some incremental increases possible with better packaging but basically WYSIWYG. There isn't a n order of magnitude available. A full order of magnitude is not necessary to make an all electric car viable for the non-enthusiast. But certainly a 3:1 improvement is needed, and that is 8 years off in the most optimistic case, and realistically a 2:1 improvement may be the end of the line for that technology.

If that is true, then there won't be demand for 500,000 cars a year that produce range anxiety. But his batteries most certainly could be used in hybrid packages, especially in combination with fuel cells or other technologies like micro-turbines. This guy is plenty smart to get deals that leave all the risks in the hands of others. He will structure it such that he doesn't suffer if the plant never reaches the scale he is boasting about. If he can produce batteries economically, he'll do fine.

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That's how Musk always operates BlueStreak Feb 2014 #1
I don't know enough to bet for him or against him BBR Esq Feb 2014 #3
Why does that worry you? Scuba Feb 2014 #2
It doesn't worry me, BBR Esq Feb 2014 #4
I guess I can't tell what part of the OP is cut/paste and what is yours. Scuba Feb 2014 #5
The OP is all cut and paste. BBR Esq Feb 2014 #6
I think the issue is that Musk will use other people's money and LOADS of public handouts BlueStreak Feb 2014 #7
The storage market for EVs, solar panels, and the grid is ready to explode kristopher Feb 2014 #8
This technology will never be on the grid BlueStreak Feb 2014 #9
Not true at all, my friend. kristopher Feb 2014 #10
V2G is a preposterous idea. It is wrong in every way possible BlueStreak Feb 2014 #11
No, your rejection of the body of work that supports it is "preposterous" kristopher Feb 2014 #12
If only I'd known you were shorting Tesla when we had this exchange... kristopher Mar 2014 #21
It has gone down almost $20/share since I bought my puts. BlueStreak Mar 2014 #22
"Utility in a Box" or "The Economics of Grid Defection" kristopher Feb 2014 #13
Considering how much money Musk has... MicaelS Feb 2014 #14
The 500,000 production figure is deceptive Mother Muckraker Feb 2014 #15
Did he say they would al be Teslas? BlueStreak Feb 2014 #16
Who cares how "he" does? Mother Muckraker Feb 2014 #17
That's food for thought. BBR Esq Feb 2014 #18
Just for the record, I am not sucked in by his lies BlueStreak Feb 2014 #19
As if on cue, TSLA stock drops over $8 today BlueStreak Feb 2014 #20
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