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bemildred

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37. Yes, but you always have to allow for craziness and provocations.

Sat Apr 19, 2014, 11:15 AM

Apr 2014

Watching US politics has caused me to doubt reason as a guide in these things.

I don't think that's what Putin wants, to rebuild the USSR, he want his economic zone, and for that he needs Ukraine independent and "friendly", and stable, he wants it to be stable. He has learned that renting is better than owning.

I think he took what he wanted right away. Crimea was the low-hanging fruit. Ms Nuland's coup against Yanukovich, or whatever one wants to call it, was the excuse and the provocation he needed to take it.

Russia's public position has been consistent, and it seems aimed at what I just said.

I've been somewhat in doubt about his intentions (see para. #1 up there), but the results of the 4-way talks make me more confident about my view.

Edit: and the thing here is Putin has to stand down now, he has to back off, or the other guys won't be able to.

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John Pilger: Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove (Russia & China) [View all] Catherina Apr 2014 OP

And then this summer - dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #1

I rather think the trap is being set for Obama--and by himself and his advisors Demeter Apr 2014 #2

Agreed. I think they sprung a trap but are just tripping/trapping themselves up in it Catherina Apr 2014 #15

The long reach of Putinismo bemildred Apr 2014 #3

So why is the US administraion so misinformed of history, culture and nuance etc...they seem Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #4

Mr. Cohen is wrong. bemildred Apr 2014 #5

He may very well be. There is of no comfort either way, Obama is responsible for the language he Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #6

Well, let's put it this way, I was not surprised by the agreement. bemildred Apr 2014 #7

Uncertain but workable. I have said before the situation escalated, I find it hard to believe Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #9

It depends on the will of the parties involved. bemildred Apr 2014 #10

Dick waving may be useful against some nations, but careless with Putin. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #12

He is dick-waving too, he's just much better placed to do it. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #13

Which I would expect a smart goverment to recognize and let it go. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #14

Yes, I blame the Neocons, as I said, for giving him the opportunity. bemildred Apr 2014 #16

Agreed, too many neocons and nothing but trouble erupts from them. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #17

Talking about Neocons. Nuland seems to be a household name in Ukraine now Catherina Apr 2014 #24

She has made a name for herself. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #27

I'll bet a lot of them have read the PNAC manifesto by now. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #29

They talk a lot about the Brzezinski doctrine (foundation of PNAC) Catherina Apr 2014 #32

Oh geeze, can she leave a lasting impression, or what? Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #30

I'm really enjoying this internet age and how quickly news gets around Catherina Apr 2014 #33

I question anyone's intelligence who cannot recognize cprise Apr 2014 #28

Yeah, but I don't think it matters. bemildred Apr 2014 #31

The petulant tone I spoke of: bemildred Apr 2014 #8

Thanks! The title alone is worth the price of admission. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #11

David Rothkopf, author of that article, has interesting background. KoKo Apr 2014 #36

You just have to read what he wrote. bemildred Apr 2014 #38

i did read it from your link...and KoKo Apr 2014 #39

He is not a dispassionate observer, he has a dog in this race. bemildred Apr 2014 #40

Indeed and agree with your view... KoKo Apr 2014 #42

+1000 Both of them figureheads of capital right now Catherina Apr 2014 #44

Thanks for this great link. Bookmarked for my bus ride n/t Catherina Apr 2014 #23

Very thoughtful article. Thanks Catherina Apr 2014 #18

I think all that depends on the outcome in Ukraine. bemildred Apr 2014 #19

I expect one too and agree with your analysis Catherina Apr 2014 #21

There was some fairly emphatic language in that statement. bemildred Apr 2014 #25

The chances of Russia invading, imo, are nil to none Catherina Apr 2014 #35

Yes, but you always have to allow for craziness and provocations. bemildred Apr 2014 #37

Nice post but I'm not sure what you men by Putin has to stand down now Catherina Apr 2014 #43

He has to show good faith, just like we do, and Yats does, and the EU. bemildred Apr 2014 #45

I'm afraid that the posturing will continue because not a single move was made Catherina Apr 2014 #46

Neither side can encourage or use violence. bemildred Apr 2014 #47

Then none of this will go anywhere. Yats is as obligated as the people in the East Catherina Apr 2014 #48

Yeah, I think we are done now. bemildred Apr 2014 #49

See, this is the problem: bemildred Apr 2014 #20

Thinking alike, just posted this 10 minutes ago in LBN: "You Disarm First" Catherina Apr 2014 #22

Please see 2nd paragraph in post #25. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #26

Precisely Catherina Apr 2014 #34

Excellent read...Recommend.. KoKo Apr 2014 #41