John Pilger: Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove (Russia & China)

[Catherina]

43. Nice post but I'm not sure what you men by Putin has to stand down now

This is what I like about talking with you, we're so close on principles and worldviews that when you say something like that, I care why. I think Putin gave them a lot of room to maneuver and they won't take it because they've gone this far and exposed just how worthless the reset offer of friendship was.

After an agreement of this import is reached, the State Dept usually tries to pump up the postive and play down the negative. Not so with its head, John K (I'm no longer using his name because that only invites his staffers to show up in the thread and take it off on some tangent). As soon as he was done with his statement he missed no opportunity to score points with the reporters and put the entire burden of enforcing the agreement on the Russians.

I think the EUSA plan to grab Ukraine overlooked that East Ukraine wouldn't meekly to go along and instead of admitting that our plans backfired, we're pushing the crisis to more dangerous levels- either just to save face or to resolutely go along with our 35 year plan of isolating Russia.

What do you think Putin should stand back from? And how? He didn't instigate the coup in Kiev and is just reacting out of existential interests. Why shouldn't the instigators of the coup who stacked the meeting without even a single representative from the southeast Ukraine region and who agreed to those conditions back down at the same time? I think Putin learned his lesson and accepted we reached a point of no return when the exact same players grossly twisted the UNSC agreement on Libya and upgraded the "no fly zone" to a free-fire zone to bomb the shit out of Libya. Putin said that's when he realized the West couldn't honestly be negotiated with and had to be stopped. Then we tried that little game with Syria but he threw a cog in the works, thinking he was giving us a graceful exit from the mess we created and instead of a discrete thank you to work together better, we moved on to Ukraine.

Anyway I'm very interested as to why you say Putin has to stand down first or the other guts won't be able to. I don't think the other guys have any intention of standing down at all, not when I read the Kiev government saying they're not disarming a thing, despite what they agreed to, on the pretense that their militants are "legal".