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In reply to the discussion: John Pilger: Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove (Russia & China) [View all]Catherina
(35,568 posts)48. Then none of this will go anywhere. Yats is as obligated as the people in the East
with the difference that, unlike the people in the East who had no voice at the talks despite Russia's request to have them present, Andrii Deshchytsia was there in an official capacity and obligated Kiev. Yats and his people found the means to arm their militants and bring them under the umbrella of the National Guard. They'll have to find the courage to disarm them if they want this to work. And Kiev certainly has the means to stop shipping them off to the East. Today they sent even more people and military shipments to the East, specifically Lugansk, instead of putting things on halt. Such moves aren't reassuring.
The OSCE is ready to assist both sides, all Yats has to do is accept the offered help if this is beyond him.
Not long after the Geneva talks, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said Kiev also had to disarm its irregular militants operating in an off-the-reservation capacity in the East.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/04/19/sberbank-denies-funding-pro-russia-terrorists-in-east-ukraine/2/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/04/19/sberbank-denies-funding-pro-russia-terrorists-in-east-ukraine/2/
"It was agreed that the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission should play a leading role in assisting Ukrainian authorities and local communities in the immediate implementation of these de-escalation measures wherever they are needed most, beginning in the coming days. The U.S., E.U. and Russia commit to support this mission, including by providing monitors."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/joint-geneva-statement-on-ukraine-from-april-17-the-full-text/2014/04/17/89bd0ac2-c654-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/joint-geneva-statement-on-ukraine-from-april-17-the-full-text/2014/04/17/89bd0ac2-c654-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html
Ukraine Should Lead Disarmament of Irregular Military Groups OSCE Secretary General.
MOSCOW, April 18 (RIA Novosti) The disarmament of irregular militant groups in Ukraine is a task for the authorities in Kiev, OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier told RIA Novosti Friday, outlining a roadmap devised at talks in Geneva on Thursday.
It should be done by the Ukrainians. Its a law and order issue, and the relevant Ukrainian institutions should do it, he said, explaining that the objective is complicated and has to be part of a broader process where the central part is dialogue.
Zannier's assessment of Thursday's meeting on the crisis in Ukraine was "really positive."
"One of the issues we saw in the OSCE in recent weeks was a deep division in the international community over Ukraine, with various aspects at the center of this difficult debate. Now we have the opportunity to develop a roadmap for the engagement of the OSCE, and also for the future of Ukraine that is shared by key players, he said commenting on the meeting.
He added that responsibility lies with Kiev to follow through on the plan, but there is full support in the implementation of these steps.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140418/189258180/Ukraine-Should-Lead-Disarmament-of-Irregular-Military-Groups-.html
MOSCOW, April 18 (RIA Novosti) The disarmament of irregular militant groups in Ukraine is a task for the authorities in Kiev, OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier told RIA Novosti Friday, outlining a roadmap devised at talks in Geneva on Thursday.
It should be done by the Ukrainians. Its a law and order issue, and the relevant Ukrainian institutions should do it, he said, explaining that the objective is complicated and has to be part of a broader process where the central part is dialogue.
Zannier's assessment of Thursday's meeting on the crisis in Ukraine was "really positive."
"One of the issues we saw in the OSCE in recent weeks was a deep division in the international community over Ukraine, with various aspects at the center of this difficult debate. Now we have the opportunity to develop a roadmap for the engagement of the OSCE, and also for the future of Ukraine that is shared by key players, he said commenting on the meeting.
He added that responsibility lies with Kiev to follow through on the plan, but there is full support in the implementation of these steps.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20140418/189258180/Ukraine-Should-Lead-Disarmament-of-Irregular-Military-Groups-.html
I have no idea what's going to happen next. I think the OSCE only has 150 people on the ground and yesterday I read they were requesting a total of 500 or 500 more. While you watch Putin, I'm watching the ones who have expansion plans surrounding Russia, 60 interrupted years of wars for profit and a string of failed states created recently from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya and now probably Ukraine. Good because both of them need watching.
Btw, why do you say that Putin agreed to support the Kiev government in its attempts to conduct a dialog leading to a new constitution and government? I don't read that in the joint statement, just a no-ownership statement that "the constitutional process will be inclusive, transparent and accountable...".
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John Pilger: Nato's action plan in Ukraine is right out of Dr Strangelove (Russia & China) [View all]
Catherina
Apr 2014
OP
Agreed. I think they sprung a trap but are just tripping/trapping themselves up in it
Catherina
Apr 2014
#15
So why is the US administraion so misinformed of history, culture and nuance etc...they seem
Jefferson23
Apr 2014
#4
He may very well be. There is of no comfort either way, Obama is responsible for the language he
Jefferson23
Apr 2014
#6
Uncertain but workable. I have said before the situation escalated, I find it hard to believe
Jefferson23
Apr 2014
#9
I'm afraid that the posturing will continue because not a single move was made
Catherina
Apr 2014
#46
Then none of this will go anywhere. Yats is as obligated as the people in the East
Catherina
Apr 2014
#48