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Catherina

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48. Then none of this will go anywhere. Yats is as obligated as the people in the East
Sat Apr 19, 2014, 08:04 PM
Apr 2014

with the difference that, unlike the people in the East who had no voice at the talks despite Russia's request to have them present, Andrii Deshchytsia was there in an official capacity and obligated Kiev. Yats and his people found the means to arm their militants and bring them under the umbrella of the National Guard. They'll have to find the courage to disarm them if they want this to work. And Kiev certainly has the means to stop shipping them off to the East. Today they sent even more people and military shipments to the East, specifically Lugansk, instead of putting things on halt. Such moves aren't reassuring.

The OSCE is ready to assist both sides, all Yats has to do is accept the offered help if this is beyond him.

Not long after the Geneva talks, the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said Kiev also had to disarm its “irregular militants” operating in an off-the-reservation capacity in the East.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/04/19/sberbank-denies-funding-pro-russia-terrorists-in-east-ukraine/2/


"It was agreed that the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission should play a leading role in assisting Ukrainian authorities and local communities in the immediate implementation of these de-escalation measures wherever they are needed most, beginning in the coming days. The U.S., E.U. and Russia commit to support this mission, including by providing monitors."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/joint-geneva-statement-on-ukraine-from-april-17-the-full-text/2014/04/17/89bd0ac2-c654-11e3-9f37-7ce307c56815_story.html

Ukraine Should Lead Disarmament of Irregular Military Groups – OSCE Secretary General.

MOSCOW, April 18 (RIA Novosti) – The disarmament of irregular militant groups in Ukraine is a task for the authorities in Kiev, OSCE Secretary General Lamberto Zannier told RIA Novosti Friday, outlining a roadmap devised at talks in Geneva on Thursday.

“It should be done by the Ukrainians. It’s a law and order issue, and the relevant Ukrainian institutions should do it,” he said, explaining that the objective is complicated and “has to be part of a broader process where the central part is dialogue.”

Zannier's assessment of Thursday's meeting on the crisis in Ukraine was "really positive."

"One of the issues we saw in the OSCE in recent weeks was a deep division in the international community over Ukraine, with various aspects at the center of this difficult debate. Now we have the opportunity to develop a roadmap for the engagement of the OSCE, and also for the future of Ukraine that is shared by key players,” he said commenting on the meeting.

He added that responsibility lies with Kiev to follow through on the plan, but “there is full support in the implementation of these steps.”

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140418/189258180/Ukraine-Should-Lead-Disarmament-of-Irregular-Military-Groups-.html


I have no idea what's going to happen next. I think the OSCE only has 150 people on the ground and yesterday I read they were requesting a total of 500 or 500 more. While you watch Putin, I'm watching the ones who have expansion plans surrounding Russia, 60 interrupted years of wars for profit and a string of failed states created recently from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Libya and now probably Ukraine. Good because both of them need watching.

Btw, why do you say that Putin agreed to support the Kiev government in its attempts to conduct a dialog leading to a new constitution and government? I don't read that in the joint statement, just a no-ownership statement that "the constitutional process will be inclusive, transparent and accountable...".

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And then this summer - dipsydoodle Apr 2014 #1
I rather think the trap is being set for Obama--and by himself and his advisors Demeter Apr 2014 #2
Agreed. I think they sprung a trap but are just tripping/trapping themselves up in it Catherina Apr 2014 #15
The long reach of Putinismo bemildred Apr 2014 #3
So why is the US administraion so misinformed of history, culture and nuance etc...they seem Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #4
Mr. Cohen is wrong. bemildred Apr 2014 #5
He may very well be. There is of no comfort either way, Obama is responsible for the language he Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #6
Well, let's put it this way, I was not surprised by the agreement. bemildred Apr 2014 #7
Uncertain but workable. I have said before the situation escalated, I find it hard to believe Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #9
It depends on the will of the parties involved. bemildred Apr 2014 #10
Dick waving may be useful against some nations, but careless with Putin. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #12
He is dick-waving too, he's just much better placed to do it. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #13
Which I would expect a smart goverment to recognize and let it go. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #14
Yes, I blame the Neocons, as I said, for giving him the opportunity. bemildred Apr 2014 #16
Agreed, too many neocons and nothing but trouble erupts from them. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #17
Talking about Neocons. Nuland seems to be a household name in Ukraine now Catherina Apr 2014 #24
She has made a name for herself. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #27
I'll bet a lot of them have read the PNAC manifesto by now. n/t cprise Apr 2014 #29
They talk a lot about the Brzezinski doctrine (foundation of PNAC) Catherina Apr 2014 #32
Oh geeze, can she leave a lasting impression, or what? Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #30
I'm really enjoying this internet age and how quickly news gets around Catherina Apr 2014 #33
I question anyone's intelligence who cannot recognize cprise Apr 2014 #28
Yeah, but I don't think it matters. bemildred Apr 2014 #31
The petulant tone I spoke of: bemildred Apr 2014 #8
Thanks! The title alone is worth the price of admission. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #11
David Rothkopf, author of that article, has interesting background. KoKo Apr 2014 #36
You just have to read what he wrote. bemildred Apr 2014 #38
i did read it from your link...and KoKo Apr 2014 #39
He is not a dispassionate observer, he has a dog in this race. bemildred Apr 2014 #40
Indeed and agree with your view... KoKo Apr 2014 #42
+1000 Both of them figureheads of capital right now Catherina Apr 2014 #44
Thanks for this great link. Bookmarked for my bus ride n/t Catherina Apr 2014 #23
Very thoughtful article. Thanks Catherina Apr 2014 #18
I think all that depends on the outcome in Ukraine. bemildred Apr 2014 #19
I expect one too and agree with your analysis Catherina Apr 2014 #21
There was some fairly emphatic language in that statement. bemildred Apr 2014 #25
The chances of Russia invading, imo, are nil to none Catherina Apr 2014 #35
Yes, but you always have to allow for craziness and provocations. bemildred Apr 2014 #37
Nice post but I'm not sure what you men by Putin has to stand down now Catherina Apr 2014 #43
He has to show good faith, just like we do, and Yats does, and the EU. bemildred Apr 2014 #45
I'm afraid that the posturing will continue because not a single move was made Catherina Apr 2014 #46
Neither side can encourage or use violence. bemildred Apr 2014 #47
Then none of this will go anywhere. Yats is as obligated as the people in the East Catherina Apr 2014 #48
Yeah, I think we are done now. bemildred Apr 2014 #49
See, this is the problem: bemildred Apr 2014 #20
Thinking alike, just posted this 10 minutes ago in LBN: "You Disarm First" Catherina Apr 2014 #22
Please see 2nd paragraph in post #25. nt bemildred Apr 2014 #26
Precisely Catherina Apr 2014 #34
Excellent read...Recommend.. KoKo Apr 2014 #41
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