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Bill USA

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31. the point is the large banks aren't interested in CDSs used properly as hedges of risk. What really
Tue Jun 10, 2014, 03:49 PM
Jun 2014

interests them is using CDSs improperly - to magnify profits by taking on more risk which CDSs magically make disappear (until AIG collapses).

This is precisely the thinking on the part of banks which created the Credit Catastrophe - 2008.

If we could count on bankers to use CDSs only as hedges of risk there would be nothing to worry about. But bankers are people. And it is a common weakness of humans to think they can 'pull off' what others before them always thought they could pull off - assume lots of risk - make your score - and then get out. But people never 'get out'. They want to hit the 'table' or the market for one more 'score'. Ergo, the Credit Catastrophe of 2008. I'm not saying bankers are different. I'm saying they are people, a portion of whom always think they can gamble - take on excessive risk - and win - time and time again. This is a human weakness and that's why we need regulations and close monitoring of what is going on.

Change the subject - what I want to do is make the possibility of using CDOs (of high risk - read: subprime - mortgages) untenable. If you remove the ability to 'play with' subprime, high risk mortgages by reckless securitizations of them (which using CDSs makes possible - "Not to worry, if the CDO tranche I'm selling you goes south - this CDS will save your ass. Ya see - more return without the risk! What a deal!"

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How Wall Street Defanged Dodd-Frank[/font]

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http://www.thenation.com/article/174113/how-wall-street-defanged-dodd-frank?page=full
Battalions of regulatory lawyers burrowed deep in the federal bureaucracy to foil reform.



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[font size="3"]Perhaps no part of Dodd-Frank matters more than the CFTC’s battle to implement derivatives reform. Certainly the big banks wouldn’t argue that point: no product peddled by Wall Street has proved as lucrative in recent years, especially for the country’s most elite firms. Just five banks—Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Bank of America—account for more than a 95 percent share of a derivatives market that has been generating an estimated $40 billion to $50 billion in annual revenues.[/font] Because derivatives have been traded on dark (i.e., unregulated) markets, this “oligarchy” of five, says Darrell Duffie, a finance professor at Stanford’s Graduate School of Business and the author of How Big Banks Fail and What to Do About It, has been able to charge exorbitant rates to the wide range of businesses and government entities that buy them—profit margins that are sure to plummet if Dodd-Frank is fully implemented, Duffie says. That alone would justify the huge sums spent on lobbying to gut Dodd-Frank, a reflection of the banks’ unflinching resolve to protect the billions of dollars in derivatives profits they book every year. “If you look at the energy and ferocity and the dollars the financial sector put on the table, it was overwhelmingly directed at derivatives,” says Michael Barr, the former Treasury official.

This is why derivatives—and by extension, the CFTC—should matter to the rest of us as well, at least if we want to reduce the odds that the banks will again blow up the global economy anytime soon. It was derivatives, after all—all those credit default swaps, collateralized debt obligations and other exotic financial instruments that most of us would learn about in newspaper infographics offered only after the fact—that were the main culprit in the collapse of insurance giant AIG. They were also the main problem in the failures of Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns, and nearly took down the other big banks as well.

Price manipulations of basic commodities such as oil and grains through derivatives are another target of Dodd-Frank, which instructs the CTFC to create “position limits”—caps on the portion of a market that financial speculators can own. The need for this check on financial speculators has never been clearer than in recent years, given the wild fluctuations in the price of oil in 2008, when a barrel of crude rose to $145 before whipsawing back to $37 in early 2009, and a spike in the price of wheat and other basic grains that caused rioting around the world.

The push to regulate a new breed of ever more complex derivatives goes back to the 1990s. The catalyst was the central role these instruments played in the financial collapse of Orange County, California, which in 1994 became the largest municipal entity ever to declare bankruptcy. Those in favor of derivatives reform would find their champion in Brooksley Born, who headed the CFTC under Bill Clinton. Think of most derivatives as a bet on the price of something going up or down—an interest rate, say, or mortgage defaults. Her agency was already in the business of regulating the futures markets for commodities such as corn and soybeans, Born argued, so why not add this new breed of financial derivatives to the CFTC’s portfolio? But this was in the Clinton era, when Democrats worked overtime to win the affections of Wall Street, and Wall Street knew that transparency would only spoil a good thing. Clinton’s top economic advisers, including Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers, the deputy who would take his place in 1999, overruled Born and worked with Congress to pass what became the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which had the effect of deregulating much of the derivatives market along with basic commodities like oil. Just eight years lat
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That would be wonderful wonderful wonderful. truedelphi Jun 2014 #1
you've got that right. The blizzard of such commercials shows there's money to be made and Bill USA Jun 2014 #2
And such commercials at the other end ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #26
A thinking person can only imagine the "help" truedelphi Jun 2014 #43
does the dodd-frank 5% risk retention rule address your concern? unblock Jun 2014 #3
5% is a joke. My idea would end th predatory lender scam of writing bad mortgages only to flip them Bill USA Jun 2014 #4
No practice but the total cessation of mortgage lending will do that. Chan790 Jun 2014 #5
banks wrote mortgages and kept them on their books - for decades before securitization came along Bill USA Jun 2014 #8
That's what caused the depression. FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
securitization of mortgages didn't exist before 1970 - Bill USA Jun 2014 #16
That's not relevant to your claim. FBaggins Jun 2014 #20
Fannie and Freddie started buying mortgages in the 1980's. Securitization of mortgages was going Bill USA Jun 2014 #34
I don't know where you got that idea... it's simply wrong. FBaggins Jun 2014 #39
I was thinking of "mortgage securitization" which began in the 1970's by Fannie Mae Bill USA Jun 2014 #46
all banks hold only a fraction of their total loaned $s in liquid assets. Any bank suffering a "run" Bill USA Jun 2014 #17
Also irrelevant... There are degrees of liquidity. FBaggins Jun 2014 #21
of course now the Federal Reserve provides liquidity to banks needing it. The fact remains banks Bill USA Jun 2014 #29
Why change the subject? FBaggins Jun 2014 #30
the point is the large banks aren't interested in CDSs used properly as hedges of risk. What really Bill USA Jun 2014 #31
Sorry... you remain confused in this whole thing FBaggins Jun 2014 #42
Please note this quote from the OP...... Bill USA Jun 2014 #49
"change the subject"? CDSs were originally created as hedges to risk.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #36
And that's not the subject on this piece of the debate. FBaggins Jun 2014 #40
I am focussed on the securitization of mortgages - and in particular with CDSs used to sell subprime Bill USA Jun 2014 #48
what relevance does your recitation of various term loans have to your cmnt 12 where you said: Bill USA Jun 2014 #35
There are TWO primary reasons they don't want to hold mortgages. FBaggins Jun 2014 #41
the most important factor in banks not getting into trouble is to write mortgages that do not Bill USA Jun 2014 #44
Close enough. FBaggins Jun 2014 #45
well, except that in the 2004-2008 timeframe the CDS did make it a lot easier to sell subprime CDOs Bill USA Jun 2014 #47
Right...and now they're no longer willing to. Chan790 Jun 2014 #13
Mortgage debt outstanding - Federal Reserve - Board of Governors report Bill USA Jun 2014 #18
I'm not sure I see your point. Chan790 Jun 2014 #19
not trying to stop them from securitizing. I just want to make sure that at the beginning - Bill USA Jun 2014 #32
LOL. you said (13) "and now they're no longer willing to." and .... Bill USA Jun 2014 #37
oh, dodd-frank is a joke but your idea of paying the homeowner to default isn't? unblock Jun 2014 #7
CDS would be paid only tothe extent of the equity the homeowner has in the home. see link: Bill USA Jun 2014 #10
Could you clarify? FBaggins Jun 2014 #6
I knew someone would ask this. First of all he has to pay for the CDS - which costs money.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #9
You're kidding... right? FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
please note the quote from the comment 9. Bill USA Jun 2014 #14
That still doesn't leave you with a workable solution. FBaggins Jun 2014 #22
"make a profit on the deal"? .. how much after paying more for his insurance on a riskier loan. NOt Bill USA Jun 2014 #24
"pretty effectively stopped."?? LOL! It won't happen again?: Subprime Lending is Back -- link Bill USA Jun 2014 #15
Sorry... you're still confused. FBaggins Jun 2014 #23
thanks for the little history lesson on the Financial crisis. I'm 'not without' knowledge of the Bill USA Jun 2014 #25
How would this help? MFrohike Jun 2014 #27
if you take away the opportunity to make a fast buck (by flipping a bad mortgage) - this has a way Bill USA Jun 2014 #33
I'm a bit confused MFrohike Jun 2014 #38
Better idea: national usury rate jmowreader Jun 2014 #28
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