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MADem

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10. Told "us." Didn't tell the Chinese, and the Russians.
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:58 AM
Jun 2014
A Senator cannot be prosecuted for anything he or she says on the Senate floor. That was Daniel Ellsberg's first attempt, when he was trying to get the PP out--to try to get Sen. Fullbright and others to introduce portions of the Pentagon Papers into the Congressional Record. They didn't do it because they had designs on greater leadership and were playing the "seek consensus amongst colleagues" game (something asswipes like Rand Paul don't worry about). At the end of the day it was Mike Gravel who made it happen, IIRC, and only then right before the NYT was going to take the leap and publish anyway.

Ron Wyden was an asshole, frankly--he asked a question that put the person being interrogated (that Weasel Clapper, I'm not "praising" him by a long shot) in an impossible situation. No matter HOW Clapper answered, his response was "wrong." He was given a choice between LYING or REVEALING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL. He couldn't refuse to answer--that would put him in contempt. He chose LYING, and Wyden's disregard for the witness is why Clapper didn't get "sanctioned." Wyden put a gun to Clapper's head and left him without any choice. Wyden should have asked that question in closed session, so he didn't put Clapper in an impossible situation, or he should have gotten his fortitude together and made a declarative statement and taken the heat ALL BY HIMSELF, using his own powers of immunity, instead of phrasing his comments in the form of a question to play "Gotcha" with Clapper.

What he ended up doing was making Clapper sympathetic. It was a boneheaded move.


Members of the United States Congress enjoy a similar parliamentary privilege as members of the British Parliament; that is, they cannot be prosecuted for anything they say on the floor of the House or Senate. They also enjoy the right to be present in Congress: that is, they may be in prison or jail the rest of the time, but they have the right to attend Congressional sessions, speak on the floor, vote, etc. These rights are specified in the Constitution and have been fairly uncontroversial in U.S. history. Courts have consistently interpreted them very narrowly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_immunity#United_States

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please provide source for the notion.. grasswire Jun 2014 #1
It's a recent web-rumor. I have no reason to suspect there are any serious talks struggle4progress Jun 2014 #2
nothing but wild speculation, then nt grasswire Jun 2014 #14
Not exactly wild speculation: it points out where Snowden's difficulties struggle4progress Jun 2014 #16
Al Gore understands the value of Snowden's actions. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #3
"... he wasn’t fully aware of the facts ..." struggle4progress Jun 2014 #5
I doubt that the Chinese or Russians were at all surprised by Snowden't revelations. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #6
Here's what the Church Committee says early in its Volume V struggle4progress Jun 2014 #12
You are absolutely right fasttense Jun 2014 #13
IMO, the biggest obstacle is the verbiage on the SF 312 he signed...nt MADem Jun 2014 #4
Time and more information about who was placed under surveillance, what the criteria was for JDPriestly Jun 2014 #7
Good article--amazing how "surveilled" people are on a day-to-day basis without any NSA help. MADem Jun 2014 #8
There were whistleblowers before Snowden who told us what was going on. Gore points that out. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #9
Told "us." Didn't tell the Chinese, and the Russians. MADem Jun 2014 #10
Wyden made Clapper look sympathetic? Are you freaking lkidding me? grasswire Jun 2014 #15
In the world of people who are not partisan. Clapper ran 'round to the political talk shows, MADem Jun 2014 #17
as I asked, in what world? in whose world? grasswire Jun 2014 #19
In the real world, in the world where people aren't focused on political party preference MADem Jun 2014 #20
that is not true grasswire Jun 2014 #21
There were supposed to be TWO SESSIONS. MADem Jun 2014 #24
the notion that Wyden hurt himself is ridiculous grasswire Jun 2014 #22
No, it isn't ridiculous. It is accurate. MADem Jun 2014 #23
still making things up, I see grasswire Jun 2014 #25
Now you are starting to be rude, hurtful and disruptive and I don't like it. MADem Jun 2014 #28
....in YOUR mind, YOUR opinion. grasswire Jun 2014 #31
In the mind of anyone reading this exchange. nt MADem Jun 2014 #32
sure grasswire Jun 2014 #35
You first. You're the one who likes to make everything PERSONAL. nt MADem Jun 2014 #36
Uh, so we shouldn't ask any questions that might put wrongdoers in the awkward position of snot Jun 2014 #29
What does that sentence even mean? Who's "we?" I didn't see you at that hearing. MADem Jun 2014 #30
WOW !!! - Wyden Is The Jerk, Because Good Guy Clapper Was Forced To Lie ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #38
amazing, isn't it? grasswire Jun 2014 #40
You have misunderstood the Congressional immunity struggle4progress Jun 2014 #11
I can't do better than S4P's response at 11. They ARE allowed to talk freely, as are Reps, so long MADem Jun 2014 #18
you obviously don't know Ron Wyden. grasswire Jun 2014 #26
He disregarded the instructions of the committee chair and he asked a MADem Jun 2014 #27
Laughable. grasswire Jun 2014 #33
I've had enough of your snarky, personal comments and childish invective. MADem Jun 2014 #34
I AM going to defend Senator Wyden and Ed Snowden... grasswire Jun 2014 #37
You aren't doing that. You're engaging in personal insult and making yourself look MADem Jun 2014 #39
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