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18. I can't do better than S4P's response at 11. They ARE allowed to talk freely, as are Reps, so long

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 02:42 PM

Jun 2014

as they are on the floor of their respective chamber.

The idea behind closed hearings is so that they don't fuck over the cabinet. Not too cool to be talking about things that are going to mess up a national security element prosecuted by Defense, or a diplomatic move underway at State.

Ron Wyden COULD have said whatever he'd liked, without fear of legal reprisal. Instead, he tried to game Clapper--who was appearing without any immunities, protections or anything of that nature--into screwing himself. Clapper, in a lame effort to protect classified material, chose LYING over revealing secrets. But he wasn't given any opportunity to speak truthfully in closed session, and Wyden could have asked that they move to that--but he didn't.

Like I said--not his finest hour. Nothing to do with his "heart." He was grandstanding; trying to fuck over Clapper for points. Now, I'm not saying that Clapper is Saint Ignacius of the Classified Material Control, but Wyden sure did make him look like he was getting pushed around.

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Here's Why Snowden Plea Negotiations Are Going Nowhere [View all] struggle4progress Jun 2014 OP

please provide source for the notion.. grasswire Jun 2014 #1

It's a recent web-rumor. I have no reason to suspect there are any serious talks struggle4progress Jun 2014 #2

nothing but wild speculation, then nt grasswire Jun 2014 #14

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Al Gore understands the value of Snowden's actions. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #3

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I doubt that the Chinese or Russians were at all surprised by Snowden't revelations. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #6

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You are absolutely right fasttense Jun 2014 #13

IMO, the biggest obstacle is the verbiage on the SF 312 he signed...nt MADem Jun 2014 #4

Time and more information about who was placed under surveillance, what the criteria was for JDPriestly Jun 2014 #7

Good article--amazing how "surveilled" people are on a day-to-day basis without any NSA help. MADem Jun 2014 #8

There were whistleblowers before Snowden who told us what was going on. Gore points that out. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #9

Told "us." Didn't tell the Chinese, and the Russians. MADem Jun 2014 #10

Wyden made Clapper look sympathetic? Are you freaking lkidding me? grasswire Jun 2014 #15

In the world of people who are not partisan. Clapper ran 'round to the political talk shows, MADem Jun 2014 #17

as I asked, in what world? in whose world? grasswire Jun 2014 #19

In the real world, in the world where people aren't focused on political party preference MADem Jun 2014 #20

that is not true grasswire Jun 2014 #21

There were supposed to be TWO SESSIONS. MADem Jun 2014 #24

the notion that Wyden hurt himself is ridiculous grasswire Jun 2014 #22

No, it isn't ridiculous. It is accurate. MADem Jun 2014 #23

still making things up, I see grasswire Jun 2014 #25

Now you are starting to be rude, hurtful and disruptive and I don't like it. MADem Jun 2014 #28

....in YOUR mind, YOUR opinion. grasswire Jun 2014 #31

In the mind of anyone reading this exchange. nt MADem Jun 2014 #32

sure grasswire Jun 2014 #35

You first. You're the one who likes to make everything PERSONAL. nt MADem Jun 2014 #36

Uh, so we shouldn't ask any questions that might put wrongdoers in the awkward position of snot Jun 2014 #29

What does that sentence even mean? Who's "we?" I didn't see you at that hearing. MADem Jun 2014 #30

WOW !!! - Wyden Is The Jerk, Because Good Guy Clapper Was Forced To Lie ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #38

amazing, isn't it? grasswire Jun 2014 #40

You have misunderstood the Congressional immunity struggle4progress Jun 2014 #11

I can't do better than S4P's response at 11. They ARE allowed to talk freely, as are Reps, so long MADem Jun 2014 #18

you obviously don't know Ron Wyden. grasswire Jun 2014 #26

He disregarded the instructions of the committee chair and he asked a MADem Jun 2014 #27

Laughable. grasswire Jun 2014 #33

I've had enough of your snarky, personal comments and childish invective. MADem Jun 2014 #34

I AM going to defend Senator Wyden and Ed Snowden... grasswire Jun 2014 #37

You aren't doing that. You're engaging in personal insult and making yourself look MADem Jun 2014 #39