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dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
62. Great article about global capitalism
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:40 PM
Jan 2012

Apple is used as an example (and they are a perfect example), not as the whole problem, so being hung up on Apple, good or bad, is missing the point.

This long article does a great job of laying out the whole situation. Some of the comments on the Times' site are good too. If anything, I thought the article was too easy on the whole system. Its strength was in painting the picture, its weakness was in interpreting the picture, and there was no attempt to do the analysis of how do we create a better picture in the future. But that's the New York Times for you.

It paints an amazingly dismal reality for the American worker. We're all living it, so no surprise, but it shows that we need radical change, not better management of our current system.

Productivity has never been higher. And, given a company's ability to offshore much of product development and manufacturing, taking advantage of controlled and desperate labor forces overseas, productivity has never been cheaper. Profit margins have probably never been higher. So, the privileged few get richer, the Asians get to live in forced work encampments, and we, if we can get any job that gives us enough money, can buy the products they make. No way is this a workable scenario for the future of this country.

I believe the corporate charter mandates maximizing shareholders' value. There's a real problem with this. What if a company wants to provide good wages, benefits, and good LIVES for their employees, at the expense of huge profits, and makes that their company's priority? They can be sued by their shareholders, that's what. That HAS to be changed.

Apple used the Chinese factory's ability to wake several thousand people in their dorms during the night to immediately begin work on the iPhone glass screens when Steve Jobs decided to wiggle his finger and demand the change in weeks. That's totally sick in so many ways.

Soon they'll just keep large pools of trained workers in suspended animation in tiny hibernation pods, only to be awakened when their services are needed for a job, then back to sleep they go, into a chemically induced comatose state. Worker drones. Count on it, that's where this road leads, and it's evil at its core.

I like the idea of tariffs. I've always liked the idea of a labor exchange rate, too, similar to a currency exchange rate. Or how about using monetary policy to enable us to make $17/day and live well on that amount of money in this country?

Ultimately I think we need to reject this whole business model, and make it either illegal or super expensive to buy products from companies that use it. It's why the trade agreements (supported by most all of our Dems as well as the Republicans) suck, they do nothing to address concerns of the workers, only concerns of the capitalists.

We want lives, not jobs. The two are not mutually exclusive. The story told in the Times' article is the story that results when the capitalists are running the show.

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Apple loves slaves. nt valerief Jan 2012 #1
Of course, how else could they amass over $80 billion. ohnoyoudidnt Jan 2012 #2
FOXCONN also manufactures amazon kindle, playstation3, XBOX 360, Nintendo Wii. emulatorloo Jan 2012 #4
Right. Apple and other U.S. corporations love slaves. nt valerief Jan 2012 #5
Not just US. Taiwan, Finland, Switzerland, Japan, Netherlands, Sweden emulatorloo Jan 2012 #7
Yes. Apple and other corporations love slaves. nt valerief Jan 2012 #9
Ever seen a Du thread about any of those other corps? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #11
Yes, that makes Apple less guilty, I suppose. I just don't understand how. nt valerief Jan 2012 #12
Don't put words in my mouth. emulatorloo Jan 2012 #13
I'm waiting for your explanation. No, actually, I don't care. valerief Jan 2012 #17
How many FOXCONN products do you own and use? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #20
Their shit is in everything. AtheistCrusader Jan 2012 #60
Precisely Sherman A1 Jan 2012 #32
I have seen others, but fewer. Thanks for helping keep all these slave-masters in the light. Scuba Jan 2012 #30
Tenth worker at iPad factory commits suicide ObServer2012 Feb 2012 #76
Xbox 360 assembly workers in China threaten mass suicide emulatorloo Feb 2012 #78
Isn't that the company where the employees threatened mass suicide if they 1monster Jan 2012 #27
Difference lies in how Apple and fanbois present the company. TheMadMonk Jan 2012 #36
Good point. Some times the best poster boy is the "untainted" "hip" company everyone loves Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #56
Textbook case of Apple Derangement Syndrome emulatorloo Jan 2012 #64
Early Apple Fan, but dumped as it went more and more proprietary. TheMadMonk Jan 2012 #69
80 billion of unpaid labor. harun Jan 2012 #46
iSlaves KurtNYC Jan 2012 #74
Deplorable. FOXCONN major clients emulatorloo Jan 2012 #3
The reason there is not so much outrage about the other corporations doing the same thing Muskypundit Jan 2012 #24
And only Apple has massive profit margins that our generation pays without question. tridim Jan 2012 #35
Seems rather hypocritical. emulatorloo Jan 2012 #67
People who own the other items Confusious Jan 2012 #26
So Samsung, Amazon, Dell get a free pass because somebody told you they liked their iPod? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #73
The squeaky wheel gets the oil Confusious Jan 2012 #75
I don't recall entire websites dedicated to HP, with fans running around the internet... joshcryer Jan 2012 #47
I guess that means HP doesn't use FOXCONN then? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #65
Nah, more that Apple is the largest "feel good" consumer of Foxconn. joshcryer Jan 2012 #70
I'm not here to "justify" Apple. I am here to learn how DU'ers "justify" denying the larger issue emulatorloo Jan 2012 #71
America's military protects the corporations that outsource our jobs think Jan 2012 #6
OH NOES! Everything is Apple's fault! Atman Jan 2012 #8
DU is fundamentally dishonest on this issue. Where are the Samsung threads? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #10
Why aren't you posting them? nt valerief Jan 2012 #16
I am not your research assistant emulatorloo Jan 2012 #19
I did the research for you brentspeak Jan 2012 #50
Brent, your speciality is putting words in other people's mouths and creating Strawman emulatorloo Jan 2012 #68
Nice red herring response. HuckleB Feb 2012 #81
EXACTLY!!! HuckleB Feb 2012 #79
Correct the blame needs to be shared by all the multinational corporations think Jan 2012 #14
Exactly. Atman Jan 2012 #25
+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Feb 2012 #80
Then all of the execs should be required to live in China. Ilsa Jan 2012 #15
If we're brutally honest, it's "we love slaves" caraher Jan 2012 #18
The situtation is very complex. However, complacency will not resolve the situation. think Jan 2012 #22
+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Jan 2012 #23
Yup. HuckleB Feb 2012 #82
"efficiency" = "how can we justify our psychopathy" Odin2005 Jan 2012 #21
Only our government can stop this MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #28
Tariffs?!! NOOooo!!! The free market is our only true path to prosperity!! RufusTFirefly Jan 2012 #33
Apple's competitors ALL undercut Apple's pricing. tridim Jan 2012 #37
Apple's Airbooks cost the same as the Samsung equivalent emulatorloo Jan 2012 #39
It isn't a canard, it is a fact. tridim Jan 2012 #42
Who pays retail? emulatorloo Jan 2012 #66
That doesn't provide any reference point comparison quakerboy Feb 2012 #83
Forget tariffs. ChadwickHenryWard Jan 2012 #43
I think we need to ban them here, as well MannyGoldstein Jan 2012 #44
I too have worked such jobs. ChadwickHenryWard Jan 2012 #49
Seen that too I had a friend who worked as a 'sub contractor' at a warehouse lunasun Feb 2012 #77
Article from Alternet vis a vis Apple kurtzapril4 Jan 2012 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jan 2012 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author Atman Jan 2012 #38
What about HTC? Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #34
Sniff. Leave Apple Alone..... marmar Jan 2012 #40
Story on This American Life this past week.. really well done. 2banon Jan 2012 #41
Thank you so much for posting that. ChadwickHenryWard Jan 2012 #48
You're welcome, I thought it was really well done too. 2banon Jan 2012 #72
Listening now. progressoid Jan 2012 #51
Thanks for the link. unapatriciated Jan 2012 #58
If Apple is beholden to overseas, that's not necessarily good for Apple usrname Jan 2012 #45
A biscuit and a cup of tea. MADem Jan 2012 #52
If your business model relies on slave labor you should not be in business n/t me b zola Jan 2012 #53
When one corporation is allowed to use slave labor, and use labor controls that are crimes, fasttense Jan 2012 #54
American prison labor Blacksheep214 Jan 2012 #55
Only labor tariffs can solve this issue. And only a country ruled by middle/working class can do so! Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #57
kick Blue_Tires Jan 2012 #59
Apple executives say that using Slaves, at this point, is their only option thelordofhell Jan 2012 #61
Great article about global capitalism dreamnightwind Jan 2012 #62
At some point quakerboy Feb 2012 #84
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