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Bill USA

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46. I was thinking of "mortgage securitization" which began in the 1970's by Fannie Mae
Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jun 2014

Even then, securitization didn't really get going in terms of significant volume, really until the 1980's. When CDSs were invented in 1997 they were used to help sell CDOs with subprime mortgages and then (after the Commodities Futures Modernization Act was passed in 2000 making trading in CDSs by banks legal and unregulated) securitization really took off.

YOu are right Fannie Mae began back in 1938 (Freddie Mac began business with passage of the Emergency Home Finance Act of 1970). my point was that Securitiztion itself worked okay since the 80's (when significant volumes were being sold). It was when the unregulated use of CDSs 'lit a fire under' the marketing of Subprime CDOs that the problems emerged. Banks found this a very lucrative trade and didn't want rating agencies ruining the party - so the 'made sure' they got the proper unrealistic credit ratings of their moneymaking subprime CDOs from S&P and Moody's.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortgage-backed_security


Ginnie Mae guaranteed the first mortgage pass-through security of an approved lender in 1968.[16] In 1971, Freddie Mac issued its first mortgage pass-through, called a participation certificate, composed primarily of private mortgages.[16] In 1981, Fannie Mae issued its first mortgage pass-through, called a mortgage-backed security.[17] In 1983, Freddie Mac issued the first collateralized mortgage obligation.[18]
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That would be wonderful wonderful wonderful. truedelphi Jun 2014 #1
you've got that right. The blizzard of such commercials shows there's money to be made and Bill USA Jun 2014 #2
And such commercials at the other end ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #26
A thinking person can only imagine the "help" truedelphi Jun 2014 #43
does the dodd-frank 5% risk retention rule address your concern? unblock Jun 2014 #3
5% is a joke. My idea would end th predatory lender scam of writing bad mortgages only to flip them Bill USA Jun 2014 #4
No practice but the total cessation of mortgage lending will do that. Chan790 Jun 2014 #5
banks wrote mortgages and kept them on their books - for decades before securitization came along Bill USA Jun 2014 #8
That's what caused the depression. FBaggins Jun 2014 #12
securitization of mortgages didn't exist before 1970 - Bill USA Jun 2014 #16
That's not relevant to your claim. FBaggins Jun 2014 #20
Fannie and Freddie started buying mortgages in the 1980's. Securitization of mortgages was going Bill USA Jun 2014 #34
I don't know where you got that idea... it's simply wrong. FBaggins Jun 2014 #39
I was thinking of "mortgage securitization" which began in the 1970's by Fannie Mae Bill USA Jun 2014 #46
all banks hold only a fraction of their total loaned $s in liquid assets. Any bank suffering a "run" Bill USA Jun 2014 #17
Also irrelevant... There are degrees of liquidity. FBaggins Jun 2014 #21
of course now the Federal Reserve provides liquidity to banks needing it. The fact remains banks Bill USA Jun 2014 #29
Why change the subject? FBaggins Jun 2014 #30
the point is the large banks aren't interested in CDSs used properly as hedges of risk. What really Bill USA Jun 2014 #31
Sorry... you remain confused in this whole thing FBaggins Jun 2014 #42
Please note this quote from the OP...... Bill USA Jun 2014 #49
"change the subject"? CDSs were originally created as hedges to risk.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #36
And that's not the subject on this piece of the debate. FBaggins Jun 2014 #40
I am focussed on the securitization of mortgages - and in particular with CDSs used to sell subprime Bill USA Jun 2014 #48
what relevance does your recitation of various term loans have to your cmnt 12 where you said: Bill USA Jun 2014 #35
There are TWO primary reasons they don't want to hold mortgages. FBaggins Jun 2014 #41
the most important factor in banks not getting into trouble is to write mortgages that do not Bill USA Jun 2014 #44
Close enough. FBaggins Jun 2014 #45
well, except that in the 2004-2008 timeframe the CDS did make it a lot easier to sell subprime CDOs Bill USA Jun 2014 #47
Right...and now they're no longer willing to. Chan790 Jun 2014 #13
Mortgage debt outstanding - Federal Reserve - Board of Governors report Bill USA Jun 2014 #18
I'm not sure I see your point. Chan790 Jun 2014 #19
not trying to stop them from securitizing. I just want to make sure that at the beginning - Bill USA Jun 2014 #32
LOL. you said (13) "and now they're no longer willing to." and .... Bill USA Jun 2014 #37
oh, dodd-frank is a joke but your idea of paying the homeowner to default isn't? unblock Jun 2014 #7
CDS would be paid only tothe extent of the equity the homeowner has in the home. see link: Bill USA Jun 2014 #10
Could you clarify? FBaggins Jun 2014 #6
I knew someone would ask this. First of all he has to pay for the CDS - which costs money.. Bill USA Jun 2014 #9
You're kidding... right? FBaggins Jun 2014 #11
please note the quote from the comment 9. Bill USA Jun 2014 #14
That still doesn't leave you with a workable solution. FBaggins Jun 2014 #22
"make a profit on the deal"? .. how much after paying more for his insurance on a riskier loan. NOt Bill USA Jun 2014 #24
"pretty effectively stopped."?? LOL! It won't happen again?: Subprime Lending is Back -- link Bill USA Jun 2014 #15
Sorry... you're still confused. FBaggins Jun 2014 #23
thanks for the little history lesson on the Financial crisis. I'm 'not without' knowledge of the Bill USA Jun 2014 #25
How would this help? MFrohike Jun 2014 #27
if you take away the opportunity to make a fast buck (by flipping a bad mortgage) - this has a way Bill USA Jun 2014 #33
I'm a bit confused MFrohike Jun 2014 #38
Better idea: national usury rate jmowreader Jun 2014 #28
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