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MADem

(135,425 posts)
28. Now you are starting to be rude, hurtful and disruptive and I don't like it.
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:25 AM
Jun 2014

I haven't made a single thing up.

I've provided citations for my assertions, and all you have done in this thread is NAME CALL and make shitty litttle insinuations about me.

You're giving everyone a really good view, you know--but it's revealing a character that doesn't acquit you well at all.

Having a "continued and principled opposition" is not realized by ignoring the instructions of a committee chair, it is not realized by asking a classified question in open session after being TOLD to not do that, it is not realized by playing "Gotcha" with a guy who didn't MAKE the rules, but was simply a public servant implementing them, and who would have answered every question that the guy had in CLOSED session without any argument or issue.

Wyden was playing to the cheap seats--he was acting like a Republican, playing Gotcha, being snide and accusatory, and putting the witness in an untenable position. He fucked up.

Since he already knew the answer to the question he asked, why didn't he correct the witness, hmmmm? Why did he just let it go? Why didn't he say, "That's not correct, the correct response is..."

Because he was hoping to trip the guy up, and nothing more--Clapper didn't play ball, and no one found out about the disconnect until months later.

That was a Major Fail.

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please provide source for the notion.. grasswire Jun 2014 #1
It's a recent web-rumor. I have no reason to suspect there are any serious talks struggle4progress Jun 2014 #2
nothing but wild speculation, then nt grasswire Jun 2014 #14
Not exactly wild speculation: it points out where Snowden's difficulties struggle4progress Jun 2014 #16
Al Gore understands the value of Snowden's actions. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #3
"... he wasn’t fully aware of the facts ..." struggle4progress Jun 2014 #5
I doubt that the Chinese or Russians were at all surprised by Snowden't revelations. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #6
Here's what the Church Committee says early in its Volume V struggle4progress Jun 2014 #12
You are absolutely right fasttense Jun 2014 #13
IMO, the biggest obstacle is the verbiage on the SF 312 he signed...nt MADem Jun 2014 #4
Time and more information about who was placed under surveillance, what the criteria was for JDPriestly Jun 2014 #7
Good article--amazing how "surveilled" people are on a day-to-day basis without any NSA help. MADem Jun 2014 #8
There were whistleblowers before Snowden who told us what was going on. Gore points that out. JDPriestly Jun 2014 #9
Told "us." Didn't tell the Chinese, and the Russians. MADem Jun 2014 #10
Wyden made Clapper look sympathetic? Are you freaking lkidding me? grasswire Jun 2014 #15
In the world of people who are not partisan. Clapper ran 'round to the political talk shows, MADem Jun 2014 #17
as I asked, in what world? in whose world? grasswire Jun 2014 #19
In the real world, in the world where people aren't focused on political party preference MADem Jun 2014 #20
that is not true grasswire Jun 2014 #21
There were supposed to be TWO SESSIONS. MADem Jun 2014 #24
the notion that Wyden hurt himself is ridiculous grasswire Jun 2014 #22
No, it isn't ridiculous. It is accurate. MADem Jun 2014 #23
still making things up, I see grasswire Jun 2014 #25
Now you are starting to be rude, hurtful and disruptive and I don't like it. MADem Jun 2014 #28
....in YOUR mind, YOUR opinion. grasswire Jun 2014 #31
In the mind of anyone reading this exchange. nt MADem Jun 2014 #32
sure grasswire Jun 2014 #35
You first. You're the one who likes to make everything PERSONAL. nt MADem Jun 2014 #36
Uh, so we shouldn't ask any questions that might put wrongdoers in the awkward position of snot Jun 2014 #29
What does that sentence even mean? Who's "we?" I didn't see you at that hearing. MADem Jun 2014 #30
WOW !!! - Wyden Is The Jerk, Because Good Guy Clapper Was Forced To Lie ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #38
amazing, isn't it? grasswire Jun 2014 #40
You have misunderstood the Congressional immunity struggle4progress Jun 2014 #11
I can't do better than S4P's response at 11. They ARE allowed to talk freely, as are Reps, so long MADem Jun 2014 #18
you obviously don't know Ron Wyden. grasswire Jun 2014 #26
He disregarded the instructions of the committee chair and he asked a MADem Jun 2014 #27
Laughable. grasswire Jun 2014 #33
I've had enough of your snarky, personal comments and childish invective. MADem Jun 2014 #34
I AM going to defend Senator Wyden and Ed Snowden... grasswire Jun 2014 #37
You aren't doing that. You're engaging in personal insult and making yourself look MADem Jun 2014 #39
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