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NanceGreggs

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45. Do I think US citizens are living in a "surveillance state"?

Tue Jul 8, 2014, 01:24 AM

Jul 2014

No, I don't.

Do I have a problem with the collection of metadata? Nope, not at all.

Do I believe that the NSA is breaking the law as it currently stands? I haven't seen any evidence that they are. And neither has Snowden, because when directly asked what illegal activities the NSA is engaged in, he couldn't cite a single example.

Do I think the NSA, along with several other gov't agencies, should keep certain things secret and out of the public domain? Yes, I do. In fact, they are mandated to do so for reasons that should be obvious to all.

One last thing:

Do I think paranoia is running rampant on DU? Yes, absolutely.

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The NSA Said Edward Snowden Had No Access to Surveillance Intercepts. They Lied. [View all] Purveyor Jul 2014 OP

But everyone knows Snowden is a liar... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #1

I think he's been doing it on purpose. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #4

I think it's the news agencies that are dribbling it out. cui bono Jul 2014 #6

No, he keeps dribbling things out so that he can stay in the limelight and headlines George II Jul 2014 #9

yuh-huh. sure he is.. frylock Jul 2014 #11

NSA groupies? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #10

The Groupie speaks! BillZBubb Jul 2014 #14

I have rarely posted here ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #22

Yet again... grasswire Jul 2014 #39

Do I think US citizens are living in a "surveillance state"? NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #45

A few are NSA groupies. JoeyT Jul 2014 #16

Hmmm ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #25

Okie doke. JoeyT Jul 2014 #27

The first link NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #28

Further to our discussion last night ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #37

NSA. Lying liars who lie. And lie. And lie. And lie. And then lie some more. blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #2

Lying to the American People and Congress is legal. MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #3

Lying to the American people and Congress is our policy. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #5

The NSA Lied ?? - Color Me SHOCKED !!! WillyT Jul 2014 #7

Tee hee hee libodem Jul 2014 #18

Perhaps they meant LEGAL access? George II Jul 2014 #8

And that is precisely the point ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #13

Blah, Blah,... BillZBubb Jul 2014 #19

Willie Sutton had access to the cash drawers of the banks he robbed. George II Jul 2014 #21

Best way to rob a bank is to own it. Pholus Jul 2014 #29

Totally off the track.....we were talking about "access" vs. "legal access" George II Jul 2014 #31

Isn't that the complete point in the end... Pholus Jul 2014 #36

Remind me again ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #23

The NSA/CIA were given an unlimited budget and carte blanche to do what they wanted to rhett o rick Jul 2014 #24

Well, there you have it. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #26

Yes anyone can make accusations and Snowden has made some along with a few other people. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #35

Snowden is not a whistle-blower by definition. NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #38

You rationalize your hatred. You look so deeply into Snowden that you miss the real issue. Is the rhett o rick Jul 2014 #42

I keep forgetting ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #44

I don't think she needs me to defend her, but what "name calling"? George II Jul 2014 #32

"And that is precisely the point ... ... that the Snowdenistas choose to ignore " rhett o rick Jul 2014 #34

Would LOVE To Know Your Feelings On This... WillyT Jul 2014 #20

crickets, Willy, crickets..........nt grasswire Jul 2014 #40

Yep... WillyT Jul 2014 #41

You would LOVE to know my feelings ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #46

What remains unanswered for certain is if Snowden took files related to military intelligence Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #12

He might have. There are good reasons why he might have as well. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #15

LOL. Not like they can trade on the NSA's reputation for truthtelling! Pholus Jul 2014 #30

"he gathered EVERYTHING he could get his hands on in a short time frame.... George II Jul 2014 #33

And then there is this ... NanceGreggs Jul 2014 #47

I suspect we are constantly lied to libodem Jul 2014 #17

In a way, it's like a PR battle for the hearts and minds of public opinion... Blue_Tires Jul 2014 #43