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KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
33. Syngenta, Dow, DuPont, Bayer
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 03:45 PM
Jul 2014

are all in the business of selling chemicals -- Sick GMO plants nursed along with chemicals.

Glyphosate chelates nutrients and can ruin your soil outright. 30% of American farmland is expected to be out of production within 10 years so how does that fit into your "must use GMO to feed everyone" scenario?

Btw, your fact is not true -- the yield from GMO crops is no higher than conventional, and in some cases is lower. In many places it is lower and more expensive. The majority of food grown in the US is going into ethanol and animal feed so there is a lot of capacity that could be directed toward feeding human beings but isn't. That should be obvious to everyone -- we are feeding cars and cows with 80% of our cropland so we could feed more people is we really needed to. Cut the crap.

But in its report, the ERS researchers said over the first 15 years of commercial use, GMO seeds have not been shown to definitively increase yield potentials, and "in fact, the yields of herbicide-tolerant or insect-resistant seeds may be occasionally lower than the yields of conventional varieties," the ERS report states.
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And the over reliance on glyphosate has translated to an increase in weed resistance, which makes crop production much harder.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/24/usda-gmo-report-idUSL1N0LT16M20140224

Also glyphosate resistant amarantha, a by-product of glyphosate use, are now "choking" Iowa:

Here's how: Even a moderate infestation of Palmer amaranth can rob farmers of about two-thirds of their corn and soybean yields, experts say.
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Nearly 20 weeds in Iowa have developed resistance to herbicides that include glyphosate, a once-in-a-century chemical that Monsanto brought to the market in 1976 under the name Roundup. It killed a broad range of weeds.


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2014/06/22/superweeds-choke-farms/11231231/

I'm a farmer and marketing talking points aren't going to solve these problems.

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The increase of pancreatic, liver, bowel and kidney cancer ... rukm pbmus Jul 2014 #1
this I gotta see-American corporations often get away with murder Stargazer99 Jul 2014 #3
Oh yea, Eff those round up ready idiots nolabels Jul 2014 #50
They will blame it on Socialism and supplements. djean111 Jul 2014 #2
Yeah,...those Third World Hippies are EVERYWHERE. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2014 #27
It won't hurt Monsanto. In fact there is probably a trade agreement like the TPP rhett o rick Jul 2014 #4
Yes BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #6
This is one of the major arguments against GMOs but the defenders never listened BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #5
GMO != RoundUp jeff47 Jul 2014 #11
You simply don't get it. Orrex Jul 2014 #13
No, I do get it. You don't. jeff47 Jul 2014 #14
As a matter of practice, I do not use the sarcasm smiley. Orrex Jul 2014 #18
Try the sarcasm indicator Treant Jul 2014 #22
The poster you responded to was being sarcastic BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #23
Again, GMO is not the same thing as "RoundUp Ready" jeff47 Jul 2014 #25
Syngenta, Dow, DuPont, Bayer KurtNYC Jul 2014 #33
Remember that old phrase... littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #37
Details are important jeff47 Jul 2014 #43
Again, we are building in bad practices so a few corps can make money BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #45
Yes details are important -- what I cite is ERS and USDA data from the real world, THOUSANDS of test KurtNYC Jul 2014 #48
We are not completely at odds then BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #34
We shouldn't conflate food with medicine jeff47 Jul 2014 #46
I think I'll leave it at that BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #47
Thank. You. Treant Jul 2014 #24
And just to be sure those farmers don't save seed, Monsanto sues them. Gormy Cuss Jul 2014 #30
Thank you. silverweb Jul 2014 #36
Exactly! It is THE argument against them! arcane1 Jul 2014 #28
Last farmer I talked with about GMO corn told me his yield averaged ... pbmus Jul 2014 #39
Yes, and the cost is higher at the end of the day BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #40
great post! DLnyc Jul 2014 #7
Nope. It might put a dent in profits. But they'll be just fine. progressoid Jul 2014 #8
"At a 2011 health summit...." 2011, people. NOT 2001-2008. Very depressing. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #9
Dehydration could also be causing kidney failure perdita9 Jul 2014 #10
Change the name of the disease to Monsanto Fever CanonRay Jul 2014 #12
Wow. Thank you! nt littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #15
Kidneys. As a person living with Sjogren's littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #16
Nah, they'll be just fine. geardaddy Jul 2014 #17
Where are all the USA DCP littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #19
Very good read! Thanks Judi Lynn. littlemissmartypants Jul 2014 #20
I have a problem Nitram Jul 2014 #21
In Central America, most water is from wells..... happyslug Jul 2014 #31
And I don't trust the same companies that brought us Agent Orange and the like BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #38
Here is a report that states the heavy metals, mostly Arsenic is an ingredient of Round up: happyslug Jul 2014 #41
Great info BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #44
No I think it is a combination that is hitting just right do to Round Up. happyslug Jul 2014 #49
Round Up is "pulling arsenic from the ground!?!" Nitram Jul 2014 #52
If the hypothesis is that... Nitram Jul 2014 #51
Duplicate posting happyslug Jul 2014 #32
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2014 #26
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #29
I wanna know too BrotherIvan Jul 2014 #35
I want to know where they are in this thread ... MindMover Jul 2014 #42
Thank you, Judy Lynn. nt. polly7 Jul 2014 #53
Kick. Luminous Animal Jul 2014 #54
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