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Veilex

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39. Your right, in that science does try to define everything it can (The black and white analogy)...
Tue May 28, 2013, 05:02 PM
May 2013

science by its very nature is inquisitive and seeks to quantitatively analyze everything it can. A great example, is actually one you posted; there is debate over if higher phenolic compounds within non-organic foods are of higher value than foods organically grown. I suspect the answer is something akin to "It depends".

For example: there is a type of rice referred to as "Golden rice" that has been genetically modified. (http://www.pbs.org/wnet/dna/pop_genetic_gallery/page3.html) The modification increased beta carotene compounds within the rice. This is seen by some as a potential life saver for some nations. Others are skeptical of the potential benefits of this non-organically grown, highly modified food. The potential is significant... but so are the questions.

In another case a two-year study led by John Reganold of Washington State University provided side-by-side comparisons of organic and conventional strawberry farms, showing organic farms produced more flavorful and nutritious berries while promoting healthier and more genetically diverse soils. The study was published Sept. 1, 2010, in the peer-reviewed online journal PLoS One: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0012346. While the food may be better for you, the question of cost comes into play. How much more does it cost to grow organically? Is it worth it in the end?

Both studies deal with food. The first was grown using considerably non organic methods and is thought, by some, to be a threat to biodiversity due to its genetically altered state. The second is being hailed as "myth shattering" by some and a waste of money by others. For my part, I'd rather do what is in the best interest of the environment and personal long-term health. To that end, the organic method seems to be more environmentally friendly and the food may have more nutrient.
Here are another 19 scientific studies in support of organics versus non organics: http://www.ota.com/organic/benefits/nutrition.html.

As to your statement that many pro organic arguments little or no basis in science, I would posit that very statement with regard to non-organics being overall better than organics. You are, of course, welcome to provide evidence to the contrary. I would gladly look over whatever you have to offer.

Regardless of which way you lean on the argument, the one thing that holds true is this: More non-biased, scientific research needs to be done.

it is also about ingesting KT2000 May 2013 #1
It's also about building and maintaining the soil Warpy May 2013 #2
Still the yields are about 25% lower than conventional farming Quixote1818 May 2013 #3
The stanford study you quote is biased considering STANFORD RECIEVES MONSANTO FUNDING obama4socialism May 2013 #6
I have yet to see a peer reviewed study Quixote1818 May 2013 #9
Why repeat what has been proven to be wrong? If biased studies make it through the peer review facismrising May 2013 #12
While most public attention sulphurdunn May 2013 #32
I garden organically, and I have more and tastier produce than my neighbors who use miracle grow Viva_La_Revolution May 2013 #20
There are over 120 peer reviewed studies here... Veilex May 2013 #22
That's true but quick review says they don't all suggest Progressive dog May 2013 #26
Science is rarely black and white. Phenols have been extolled for their virtues, but some would argue Veilex May 2013 #33
science is usually tending toward black and white, that's the point Progressive dog May 2013 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex May 2013 #38
Your right, in that science does try to define everything it can (The black and white analogy)... Veilex May 2013 #39
Fact is, since farmers have moved away from organic methods Progressive dog May 2013 #40
"I agree that there is very little scientific proof of nutrients or yield in either direction"... Veilex May 2013 #41
So where's the beef, it's not in your 120 studies Progressive dog May 2013 #42
Um, not quite Warpy May 2013 #23
She is lying! No estrogenic pesticides plus organic food is HIGHER IN IMPORTANT NUTRIENTS facismrising May 2013 #4
That study is bogus. Please post something from a science journal next time Quixote1818 May 2013 #7
Stanford MONSANTO funded study gets in Journal, OTHERS THAT SHOW ORGANIC MORE NUTRIENT DENSE facismrising May 2013 #8
I can't believe we even pay attention to the so called "mainstream" reporting anymore. They obama4socialism May 2013 #10
You mean pro-organic organizations tied the study to Monsanto Quixote1818 May 2013 #11
You like subjective research, the rest of us don't! facismrising May 2013 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Veilex May 2013 #35
your assertions about cattle feed have caused me to conclude you have no credibility for this topic Kali May 2013 #24
organic is non-GMO. Cobalt Violet May 2013 #5
That isn't a winning argument. Crow73 May 2013 #30
This is classic Straw Man* crapola Berlum May 2013 #14
Yup you nailed it! The argument is flawed; Organic is BETTER! Civilization2 May 2013 #16
And yet they leave out important aspects of the Cargill funded study. fasttense May 2013 #15
Her 4 mythical myths destroyed KurtNYC May 2013 #17
yeah - that "pestilized" made me go Kali May 2013 #25
This is obviously not a clear cut black and white issue Snake Plissken May 2013 #18
organic is better fpasko May 2013 #19
Welcome to DU my friend! hrmjustin May 2013 #21
That Sounds's Interesting. Any Proof of Organic-only at Monsanto HQ. dballance May 2013 #27
Suspicious timing, right after Monsanto March felix_numinous May 2013 #28
Thanks, but Crow73 May 2013 #29
That made a lot of sense Progressive dog May 2013 #31
The presentation is glib and slick..... DeSwiss May 2013 #34
very interesting discussion - thanks to all CHOCOLATMIMOSA May 2013 #36
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