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Kurovski

(34,657 posts)
105. intel gathering can be done with proper oversite and accountability.
Wed Jun 12, 2013, 01:31 PM
Jun 2013

Bush/Cheney had plenty of intel/info and the attack on 9/11happened anyway.

Lack of info is not the problem in the US.



http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/disinfo/deceptions/bostonglobe091801.html


by Kevin Cullen and Ralph Ranalli
The Boston Globe
September 18, 2001



FBI Director Robert Mueller continued to insist yesterday that federal authorities had no reason to suspect Islamic extremists were training at US flight schools before last week's suicide hijackings, even as more evidence surfaced raising questions about those assertions.

The vice president of a flight school in Oklahoma told The Boston Globe yesterday that three weeks before Tuesday's suicide hijackings, FBI agents interviewed him about a suspected terrorist who had trained at the school.

Dale Davis, the vice president of Airman Flight School in Norman, Okla., said FBI agents showed up at the facility asking questions about Zacarias Moussaoui, who was arrested in Minnesota last month after he tried to get flight simulator lessons on flying a commercial-size jet.

In addition, Davis said that FBI agents visited his flight school two years ago to ask questions about a former student who had been identified by federal authorities as an associate of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born dissident who is the prime suspect in organizing last week's hijackings.

Davis also said that two of the men who hijacked two flights out of Boston's Logan Airport last week, including Mohamed Atta, who investigators believe was the ringleader of the Boston hijackings, had visited the Norman flight school last year before deciding to attend one in Florida.

At a Washington briefing yesterday, Mueller repeated his assertion, first made Friday, that federal authorities had no inkling that terrorists were using US flight schools to acquire the training they needed to take the controls of commercial airline rs as they did on Tuesday.

''There were no warning signs that I'm aware of that would indicate this type of operation in the country,'' he said.

But the Globe reported Saturday that federal authorities have known for at least three years that two associates of bin Laden had trained in the United States as airline pilots.

The link between the Al-Qaeda terror group, allegedly led by bin Laden, and US flight schools emerged earlier this year at the trial of four men charged with the 1998 bombing of the American embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. At that trial, during which FBI agents were called as witnesses, an associate of bin Laden testified that he went to a flight school in Texas.

Prosecutors introduced evidence that a second associate of bin Laden, Ihab Ali Nawawi, had trained at Airman Flight School, as did Moussaoui, who is now being held in New York for questioning on suspicion that he is an associate of the hijackers.

In a telephone interview, Davis confirmed that the FBI had suspicions about Moussaoui at least three weeks before last week's disaster.

The questions FBI agents posed to him appeared to be about whether Moussaoui could have been a terrorist, Davis said, including whether the alleged Algerian militant had ever made any ''extreme comments'' about the United States.

When asked why they were inquiring about Moussaoui, Davis said, the agents replied that ''he had done something very bad.''

Davis said FBI agents had visited his school just two years earlier to inquire about Ihab Ali Nawawi, who took flight training there in 1993 and was later charged in connection with the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Africa, which were blamed on bin Laden's group.

Davis also confirmed that Atta and another suspected hijacker, Marwan al-Shehhi, visited Airman Flight School, staying overnight at the school's dormitory in the nearby Sooner Inn, before deciding to train at another facility.

''They did a school visit in July of 2000 but went elsewhere for whatever reason,'' Davis said.

The Los Angeles Times yesterday quoted an unidentified federal official saying that Moussaoui asked only for lessons on ''steering, not landing'' and cheered when he watched a news account of the suicide hijackings at the jail in Minnesota where he h as been held since last month.

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Yep, technology has improved and more means of survellience and it is here for a while. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #1
Bury your computer in the woods and don't leave the house. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #11
+1 Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #22
Not me, don't care how much data they collect on me, I am not watching outside Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #67
It's all very boring until someone gets into power who has a real thing against boring people. Kurovski Jun 2013 #90
I would not think it boring if terrorist attacks never happened again. I quiet well understand when Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #97
intel gathering can be done with proper oversite and accountability. Kurovski Jun 2013 #105
"As long as I got my gun I can be perfectly content as a slave in a fascist state." reusrename Jun 2013 #96
Just make sure you stay that way no matter who's in control or what they do think Jun 2013 #102
United we stand divided we fall Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #103
This does not surprise me. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #2
I prefer "Stasi State", but then again I'm old school. nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #3
And it's all information that's gathered daily by private corps we interact with all the time. baldguy Jun 2013 #4
I very much dislike that said companies collect all that data. Laelth Jun 2013 #14
And the fact that corps aren't limited in what they do supposed to make me feel better? baldguy Jun 2013 #29
I would certainly favor some reasonable limits. Laelth Jun 2013 #31
Then perhaps Edward Snowden and the Drs. Paul shouldn't be leading the charge. baldguy Jun 2013 #39
+1,000. Yes, we don't get any vote with them. We might pay cash and wear a bag over our head. freshwest Jun 2013 #81
Yet the 1st Amendment does? nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #56
No, the 1st Amendment does not apply to corps. either. Laelth Jun 2013 #59
In the context of gathering information Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #24
And you think multinational, multibillion dollar corps with no public accountability baldguy Jun 2013 #37
There's no difference between TBTF corps and govt anymore. They feed off each other. n/t Psephos Jun 2013 #68
1,931 (and more to come) private companies that will undoubtedly lobby to increase surveillance Auggie Jun 2013 #5
Damn it all ...I'm going back to snail mail. L0oniX Jun 2013 #6
... n2doc Jun 2013 #13
Every piece of mail is scanned, front and rear. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #87
Yes! hand written of course! nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #15
Non lick stamps to avoid DNA trace. L0oniX Jun 2013 #16
Better yet I will hand deliver everything. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #28
that is devestating. Locrian Jun 2013 #7
Yep, another entrenched industry, like the Prison-Industrial Complex. kath Jun 2013 #18
This is NOT titanicdave Jun 2013 #8
Seriously? I'm sure East Germany used the same argument. harun Jun 2013 #10
Hardly. Were you ever there? I was in East Germany several times DFW Jun 2013 #26
Harun did not equate the US with East Germany, though. merrily Jun 2013 #38
Agreed there. DFW Jun 2013 #41
I would think that having been there would also want you to stop any part of a process that merrily Jun 2013 #47
Actually, in the case of East Germany, it pretty much did just that DFW Jun 2013 #63
I value your 1st Hand perspective. bvar22 Jun 2013 #74
I usually don't spend much time south of Dallas DFW Jun 2013 #88
If we give up some of our civil liberties in name of fighting radical extremism, then the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #12
what titanicdave Jun 2013 #30
My God how are they protecting the constitution? dkf Jun 2013 #32
Are they protecting the people? merrily Jun 2013 #48
So they think. dkf Jun 2013 #55
Protecting it by breaking it... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #60
You mentioned protecting the Constitution. Is wholesale spying on the American people protecting the totodeinhere Jun 2013 #34
You are conflating defending the Constitution with keeping people physically s. That does not work. merrily Jun 2013 #40
Tell me how they are protecting the constitution. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #57
LOL!! You're kidding right? This has to be satire.... bowens43 Jun 2013 #93
They have won EVERYTHING. historylovr Jun 2013 #104
Please engage brain before posting on this board.... lastlib Jun 2013 #25
Uh oh, Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies emulatorloo Jun 2013 #27
I don't generally like Nazi analogies either but in this case I think that the analogy is a totodeinhere Jun 2013 #35
Godwin's rule is Mike Godwin's bullshit, designed to watch it grow as a pure meme, which, merrily Jun 2013 #42
+1 n/t NealK Jun 2013 #62
Ok, sure, this is just like the Holocaust emulatorloo Jun 2013 #66
Oh Grow Up titanicdave Jun 2013 #78
right... Kali Jun 2013 #46
No, you are not a liberal. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #58
Wrong titanicdave Jun 2013 #77
And you also support... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #79
And you point is........... titanicdave Jun 2013 #84
My point is that people... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #85
And dave is busted. Kurovski Jun 2013 #91
... SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #75
RUIN OUR WAY OF LIFE? Skittles Jun 2013 #89
What a mindbogglingly naive remark. bowens43 Jun 2013 #92
And yet less than 50 Americans have been killed since 9/11 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #9
You raise a good point. We're spending billions in the name of saving lives from terrorist attacks. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #19
It's not about "Saving Lives" warrant46 Jun 2013 #33
Are you forgetting the thousands of soldiers that have died since 9/11? thelordofhell Jun 2013 #20
No one forced us to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, or to stay in Afghanistan this long. merrily Jun 2013 #49
Tell that to the MIC thelordofhell Jun 2013 #71
They are a volunteer army... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #61
They would argue that they create and maintain thousands of high-paying jobs. Amonester Jun 2013 #94
This makes me think of Rachel Maddow's MSNBC promo ad that says snappyturtle Jun 2013 #17
One would have thought that the economic collapse of 2008 would have provided a great merrily Jun 2013 #50
Exactly. Sad. nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #52
I think they're trying to figure out who in the citizenry to kill off and when. valerief Jun 2013 #21
The surveillance makes me think we're the ones they consider enemies. merrily Jun 2013 #45
We ARE the enemies of the gazillionaires. If we weren't, they'd share and wouldn't be gazillionaires valerief Jun 2013 #99
Time to rein in Big Government! lastlib Jun 2013 #23
And still, many won't believe where this is headed..... DeSwiss Jun 2013 #36
Thank you. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44
We all have better things to do than spend our time being JDPriestly Jun 2013 #43
"Welcome" suggests it is new. kenfrequed Jun 2013 #51
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2013 #53
We had ctsnowman Jun 2013 #54
$1 trillion per year is budgeted to this monstrous for-profit Terror-Industrial Complex: Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #64
From his grave in the briny deep, Bin Laden is smiling B Stieg Jun 2013 #65
So, you're saying that George Bush did actually create jobs. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #69
On the brighter side, think of all the jobs that have been created... RushIsRot Jun 2013 #70
It's not a war on terror, it's a war on American citizens. Initech Jun 2013 #72
Election thefts cost a lot Politicalboi Jun 2013 #73
And yet ... AUSTERITY NOW! AUSTERITY FOREVER! blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #76
And bridges are crumbling Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #80
Check out available jobs in just about any company that contracts with the government in LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #82
Whe were these secure complexes built? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #83
Just think of all those chervilant Jun 2013 #86
We should at least get free cell phone & ISP service. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #95
So Skinner, not feeling the love of the Total Information Awareness? tavalon Jun 2013 #98
Land of the free (?) Initech Jun 2013 #100
33,900 requests in 33 years of FISA ... about 1,000 a year. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #101
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