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TiberiusB

(526 posts)
85. But the program was designed to sacrifice homeowners, because the banks designed it
Sun Aug 4, 2013, 02:42 AM
Aug 2013

H.A.M.P. was created by the banking industry as a counter to the cram down proposal originally expected to be included with the stimulus bill.

Cram down, obviously, didn't happen. The Obama Administration promised but never delivered.

Dick Durbin tried to re-introduce cram down into a housing bill and got absolutely no support from the White House (talk a good game and then disappear when the real fight goes down...hmmmm...sounds familiar).

H.A.M.P. essentially stripped the consumer friendly part of cram down, the part where mortgages could be re-negotiated before a bankruptcy judge, and left only the banks in charge of negotiations with under water customers. Needless to say, this transformed the whole program into just another bite at the tax payer apple for the banks that frequently left consumers worse off then when they started. Just "Google BofA and H.A.M.P."

It's easy to talk about how the economy desperately needs banks in the abstract while ignoring the glaring deficiency in the system that allowed the larger Wall Street Investment firms and mega banks like BofA to effectively turn the economy into a big casino with no downside to the wealthy players. Wall Street caused the crash in 2008, not bad mortgages. They were just the fuse, it was the bigger banks and Wall Street players like Goldman Sachs that pushed deregulation and rampant speculation courtesy of derivatives and credit default swaps that blew up the economy. Anybody trying to pretend that it was all about bad loans and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is just trolling.

Just imagine if the Fed had taken the 16+ trillion (possibly 29 trillion) it essentially gave away to pay off Wall Streets bad bets and instead funneled that money through a government program to set up distressed home owners with new loans at 2-3%. Even if you assume the low ball number of 16 trillion (and try to wrap you head around the idea that 16 trillion is the "low ball" estimate), that's, what, like $50,000 for every man, woman, and child in the U.S.? That's $200,000 for a family of four, which, with the average mortgage at something like $225,000, would be nearly enough to completely pay off any private bank loans, leaving only a low interest government loan that would allow consumers to drive more of their income into the general economy and not just into banker pockets. And that's assuming you hand out the money to everyone. Just imagine how much less would be necessary to take care of just the underwater mortgages.

Instead, the banks got the money and the housing crisis was left to fester. Dodd Frank was a weak tea fix and even that is slowly getting dismantled, effectively setting the stage for this all to happen again, only worse. It might have been more painful in the short term to take an axe to some of the bigger players and break them up via a government run liquidation, but in the long run, the results would be vastly better.

Don't even get me started on the effort to sell foreclosures to rich investors so they can be rented back to their former owners (which, yes, Obama backed).

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"Keep this in mind while Obama prattles on about his undying support for the middle class." bahrbearian Aug 2013 #1
Neil Barofsky Gave Us The Best Explanation For Washington's Dysfunction We've Ever Heard Octafish Aug 2013 #26
K&R especially for this post. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #62
Kicked and Recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2013 #84
Just read that book. Really appalling. Geithner was strictly on the banks' side. eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #95
My library has this book. CrispyQ Aug 2013 #97
+++ 1,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #78
K&R. The proof is in the program's massive, allowed, failure MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #2
One guy on TV. iandhr Aug 2013 #3
If you watch the video you will hear him say that Geithner told him Autumn Aug 2013 #5
Let me guess your point. Because it's hearsay it couldnt possibly have happened. In other words, rhett o rick Aug 2013 #6
10 million families yanked out of their homes in foreclosures; $20 billion 2nd qtr 2013 profit jtuck004 Aug 2013 #23
Not "one guy on TV", the former Solicitor General for TARP AZ Progressive Aug 2013 #70
Im not surprised. Actions speaks louder than words. We need bonniebgood Aug 2013 #4
We just need to take back our party from the Turd Way. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #7
What is more important...a few million home owners or the entire banking system? dkf Aug 2013 #8
Are you kidding? Are you FUCKING kidding? LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #9
Yes I'm serious. I know many on this site have no appreciation for banks but it is the lending dkf Aug 2013 #10
You make the assumption that our banking system is decent, and THAT'S a stretch... LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #11
If you had to choose one you'd choose a few million homeowners and crash the banking system? dkf Aug 2013 #14
I would save the millions of homeowners and let the irresponsible private banks fail fasttense Aug 2013 #18
Did you live through 2007-2008? dkf Aug 2013 #42
Really what we are experiencing is nothing? fasttense Aug 2013 #88
They let the banks fail in '29 and it led to the Great Depression. Blanks Aug 2013 #92
Nationalize the banks... KansDem Aug 2013 #91
Yes Vanje Aug 2013 #99
To suggest the banking system would fall because of the homeowners is utter BULLSHIT... LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #35
I have no idea where you get that I think it was due to homeowners. dkf Aug 2013 #43
I have no idea where you get that 'it's ok to sacrifice millions of homeowners' LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #48
That's ridiculous. Whatever happened to those homeowners was not the pivotal point. dkf Aug 2013 #57
Whatever happened to them??? Seriously, Seriously fascist. Really LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #68
But they aren't lending. progressoid Aug 2013 #12
If they have excess reserves they hold it at the Fed. dkf Aug 2013 #13
No. They're not. (and you know it) nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #41
You have not been paying attention. dkf Aug 2013 #45
You are the one turning a blind eye, dear...they ain't lending, and you damn well know it. nt LaydeeBug Aug 2013 #49
The Fed is. That's where the banks excess reserves go to. dkf Aug 2013 #51
It is labor and the excess supply of goods created by labor fasttense Aug 2013 #17
But lending allows the investment that allows the use of labor to create excess supply. dkf Aug 2013 #20
You can NOT lend unless labor has already created the wealth fasttense Aug 2013 #90
NO it is the spending by the people in this country that creates the matthews Aug 2013 #19
You could sell to someone else. dkf Aug 2013 #21
And who would that be? And how would that make an 'economy'? matthews Aug 2013 #24
How did it work for China? dkf Aug 2013 #27
China and the US aren't the same. The economy of China only matthews Aug 2013 #40
Last year a Chinese bank was the largest in the world. Many of the top banks are. dkf Aug 2013 #47
So??????????????? nt matthews Aug 2013 #59
Yeah but when they stop lending and start hoarding the whole thing grinds to a halt tularetom Aug 2013 #36
Yet we don't want them lending indiscriminately again. dkf Aug 2013 #61
No. It was the banks that WRECKED our economy. Vanje Aug 2013 #98
Economies existed long before banks were ever created. fasttense Aug 2013 #15
Yeah what kind of economies did we have back then? Subsistence farming? dkf Aug 2013 #22
Since you brought it up, the Bible has a fair bit to say about money lenders Electric Monk Aug 2013 #37
I speak of him as a historical person since I am an Atheist. dkf Aug 2013 #50
That is what you think the country was founded on? Made the progress to become matthews Aug 2013 #39
Lenders yes, but privately owned banks fasttense Aug 2013 #89
FDR answered that in roughly 1933. Homeowners more important than thieving bankers. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #25
And taxpayers and homeowners don't use banks? dkf Aug 2013 #28
Thieving, lying bankers and the politicians they buy are not necessary, no. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #29
Lol. Stop using yours then. No credit cards, checks... dkf Aug 2013 #31
Conflating good business with thievery. The Master's money can buy many tongues. n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #34
Oh so you do love what the banks allow you to do. dkf Aug 2013 #58
When thieves do their work, many good things leave as well. I wonder why you want to piss jtuck004 Aug 2013 #67
Are heroin dealers necessary to having drug manufacturers? n/t jtuck004 Aug 2013 #30
Not really. dkf Aug 2013 #33
How money works and how power works KT2000 Aug 2013 #46
Did you see the results of the modification programs? dkf Aug 2013 #60
Guess what KT2000 Aug 2013 #69
Your logic does NOT compute. AdHocSolver Aug 2013 #56
You have not been keeping up with how the banking system has changed. dkf Aug 2013 #64
The change in the banking system occurred with repeal of Glass-Steagall which legalized thievery. AdHocSolver Aug 2013 #71
This isn't pure economics, it's the reality of how the system works. dkf Aug 2013 #72
All my posts apply to how our banking system really works. AdHocSolver Aug 2013 #74
but if that happened ceonupe Aug 2013 #80
What I described was why our current banking system failed the U.S. economy. AdHocSolver Aug 2013 #82
Considering they used the bailouts for bonuses for themselves and lavish parties? Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #73
THANK GAWD IT PASSED!!!!!!!1 cui bono Aug 2013 #87
I hope I live to see the day when this rat bastard gets jail time. n.t truedelphi Aug 2013 #16
I just listened to that video and he never says "designed to sacrifice homeowners." pnwmom Aug 2013 #32
Ifa. Coulda. Woulda. Shoulda. DeSwiss Aug 2013 #55
But the program was designed to sacrifice homeowners, because the banks designed it TiberiusB Aug 2013 #85
Whatever the banks did, the administration didn't design the program to sacrifice pnwmom Aug 2013 #86
I disagree TiberiusB Aug 2013 #96
I'm shocked, I tell you: absolutely shocked! Who woulda' ever thunk it? indepat Aug 2013 #38
Citizens Used As 747 Crash Pads Such That Oligarch Bankers Might Have A Soft Landing - Despicable cantbeserious Aug 2013 #44
''Foam the runway?'' DeSwiss Aug 2013 #52
Actually the words fit perfectly. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #54
And the banks PROFITED from it. AtheistCrusader Aug 2013 #53
Admitted! Fuck u Tim G. Fuck u. We don't need no admission. It's as plain as fuckung day. geckosfeet Aug 2013 #63
Geithner should be made an honorary Republican Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #65
as should Obama burnodo Aug 2013 #81
The got $7 trillion in cheap loans and the fuckers still didn't help out the homeowners. GoneFishin Aug 2013 #66
I don't think the runway was foamed for the banks ...... AnneD Aug 2013 #75
Helicopter Ben and Foam the Runway 'Geithner - what a team! bananas Aug 2013 #76
Trust NOT these guys ... for me, they have lost all credibility, I only half listen to RKP5637 Aug 2013 #77
Nice to knew we did our part in getting flattened by an out of control 747. leveymg Aug 2013 #79
It's not like I didn't suspect this and worse. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #83
Those who control public finances sulphurdunn Aug 2013 #93
WOW! BillyRibs Aug 2013 #94
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