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zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
16. Action or responsibility?
Mon Nov 11, 2013, 04:16 PM
Nov 2013

I'm not actually as militant on this case as many. I think McDonalds actually lost the case because of they way they reacted to it. It implied that they were aware that they were in trouble and seemed to be afraid to change anything for fear of admitting responsibility.

They received hundreds of reports out of millions of cups sold.

I'm not sure what seatbelts have to do with anything, but I wouldn't hold the manufacturer responsible for a car made without them, until after they were mandated.

There are reasons for serving coffee quite hot, and I've mentioned a few before. And they sold ALOT of coffee, so they had reason to believe their customers wanted it that way. They are a very customer focused company and research greatly what influences buying patterns. The cup wasn't flimsy until the customer removed the lid. It was the removal of the lid in a dangerous situation that led directly to the accident. If the lids on, no way that much coffee gets spilled.

Yes, the jury did render an opinion, after the fact, that the coffee should have been served cooler. That was information not available to McDonalds at the time of the sale and manufacture. If not for the fact that it was jury, and not a legislature, and for the existence of the "known or should have known" standard, it would qualify as an ex post facto law, which is strictly prohibited by the US Constitution.

As I say, I'm not as militant as many (including yourself near as I can tell) about this case. McDonalds behavior is hard to understand, but really do you think it was their intent to injure their customers, or were they attempting to increase sales by producing a popular product? I think they let the lawyers do too much of their thinking, or else they probably could have easily started handling this in a vastly different manner, up to including serving the coffee cooler, or at least as an option. But the flip side is that because I don't believe they were trying to injure their customers (there was no direct profit motive for them to do so) I see far more of an ex post facto angle to this. It pits the wants and desires of one set of customers against another and places companies, not regulatory bodies (much less legislatures), in the position of sorting out the conflict. If they get it wrong, in the eyes of a jury, they lose.

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Thanks for posting... suzanner Nov 2013 #1
Its a frivolous lawsuit not because she wasn't burned. She was, horribly. She was burned because ... marble falls Nov 2013 #6
Except for the fact that the coffee was far hotter than it should have been ET Awful Nov 2013 #7
My tea is hotter zipplewrath Nov 2013 #8
Your tea is 180 degrees? I doubt that seriously. ET Awful Nov 2013 #9
The jury did zipplewrath Nov 2013 #10
You seem to have misread the verdict. ET Awful Nov 2013 #11
When served zipplewrath Nov 2013 #12
So, in your world, receiving hundreds of reports of injury doesn't warrant action? ET Awful Nov 2013 #13
Action or responsibility? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #16
Complete and utter nonsense. ET Awful Nov 2013 #19
How low was low enough? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #20
What an astounding demonstration of your lack of reading comprehension . . . ET Awful Nov 2013 #21
I'm trying to stay civil zipplewrath Nov 2013 #22
Ummm. . . they didn't need to know what would satisfy a jury, they needed to listen to the numerous ET Awful Nov 2013 #23
Easy to say in hindsight zipplewrath Nov 2013 #24
You're merely trying to over complicate things. ET Awful Nov 2013 #25
I'll ignore your personal attacks zipplewrath Nov 2013 #30
It's quite obvious that you have no knowledge of what product liability is ET Awful Nov 2013 #32
I understand, I just don't agree zipplewrath Nov 2013 #39
You fail to grasp the whole concept of product liability... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #35
Oh, I understand it zipplewrath Nov 2013 #38
Please see my post #14 about how a splash on my sister's ankle gave her 3rd degree burns Hekate Nov 2013 #17
I'm sorry for your sister zipplewrath Nov 2013 #18
A buddy of mine spent two weeks in the hospital after spilling... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #34
except that is not true....they were parked. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #26
Oh, then why did the trial judge portion some of the blame on her and her grandson? marble falls Nov 2013 #31
Proof please.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36
I live in the city where it happened and we got a lot more news about it than Chung reported Warpy Nov 2013 #27
One... rsdsharp Nov 2013 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #33
Yes, thank you. Very informative and interesting. closeupready Nov 2013 #2
I had never seen the photos of the burns before this, no one would laugh if they saw those Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #3
Links to some facts on the case... SpankMe Nov 2013 #4
The simple thing would have been for McDonald's to settle for $20,000 davidpdx Nov 2013 #5
A bit? I'd say a bit more than a bit. n/t VWolf Nov 2013 #15
My sis burned her ankle so badly she almost needed a skin graft Hekate Nov 2013 #14
McDonald's Coffee yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #28
1. Watch the video 2. Read the information in this thread 3. Use fewer question marks. Hekate Nov 2013 #37
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