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zipplewrath

(16,698 posts)
24. Easy to say in hindsight
Tue Nov 12, 2013, 12:48 PM
Nov 2013

The problem is, sitting there in the lawyers chair several years prior, making significant changes in response to a few severe cases (it was way less than 6 sigma I suspect) opens you up to effectively admitting that there was/is a problem. So they have to then make a few decisions. One of them is if they are going to be proactive in advance, and take the risk that this will be perceived as some sort of admission of "guilt" or culpability. And you'd better pick a temperature that will satisfy a future jury. Because if you don't you'll both open up yourself to liability, AND you won't make the problem go away.

Furthermore, if they actually believe that their sales volume was connected to the temperature (i.e. a significant portion of their customers actually preferred it enough to make it a differentiator from their competitors) they'll also take a sales hit on top of any future claims (which at the time was probably seen as a much bigger fiscal risk to them. Dunno if anyone was thinking they could lose a case quite this big).

But this is sorta what I mean by "letting the lawyers run things". Quite honestly, the folks running the company have to send the lawyers "out of the room" at some point and start asking themselves if maybe something should change, regardless of the risk. Really, in hindsight, and to some extent based upon the practices of other folks, serving coffee that hot through a drive through, or even "over the counter" may not have been a brillant choice. It's one thing when hostesses are pouring into cups on counters, but a bit like airlines, when it's getting passed around to be held in hands/laps/cup holders, it may not be the smartest thing. At the very least they could have provided some sort of option. A few ounces of water shot in at the time of the pour could have lowered the temperature significantly. Heck, it could be an option. They could avertise "some like it hot!".

But I'm still surprised that with all the restaurant regulation we had at the time (everything from hair nets to how wet rags must be stored) that no government agency, or restaurant association had lain out some of these problems and their proper procedures.

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Thanks for posting... suzanner Nov 2013 #1
Its a frivolous lawsuit not because she wasn't burned. She was, horribly. She was burned because ... marble falls Nov 2013 #6
Except for the fact that the coffee was far hotter than it should have been ET Awful Nov 2013 #7
My tea is hotter zipplewrath Nov 2013 #8
Your tea is 180 degrees? I doubt that seriously. ET Awful Nov 2013 #9
The jury did zipplewrath Nov 2013 #10
You seem to have misread the verdict. ET Awful Nov 2013 #11
When served zipplewrath Nov 2013 #12
So, in your world, receiving hundreds of reports of injury doesn't warrant action? ET Awful Nov 2013 #13
Action or responsibility? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #16
Complete and utter nonsense. ET Awful Nov 2013 #19
How low was low enough? zipplewrath Nov 2013 #20
What an astounding demonstration of your lack of reading comprehension . . . ET Awful Nov 2013 #21
I'm trying to stay civil zipplewrath Nov 2013 #22
Ummm. . . they didn't need to know what would satisfy a jury, they needed to listen to the numerous ET Awful Nov 2013 #23
Easy to say in hindsight zipplewrath Nov 2013 #24
You're merely trying to over complicate things. ET Awful Nov 2013 #25
I'll ignore your personal attacks zipplewrath Nov 2013 #30
It's quite obvious that you have no knowledge of what product liability is ET Awful Nov 2013 #32
I understand, I just don't agree zipplewrath Nov 2013 #39
You fail to grasp the whole concept of product liability... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #35
Oh, I understand it zipplewrath Nov 2013 #38
Please see my post #14 about how a splash on my sister's ankle gave her 3rd degree burns Hekate Nov 2013 #17
I'm sorry for your sister zipplewrath Nov 2013 #18
A buddy of mine spent two weeks in the hospital after spilling... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2013 #34
except that is not true....they were parked. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #26
Oh, then why did the trial judge portion some of the blame on her and her grandson? marble falls Nov 2013 #31
Proof please.. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2013 #36
I live in the city where it happened and we got a lot more news about it than Chung reported Warpy Nov 2013 #27
One... rsdsharp Nov 2013 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #33
Yes, thank you. Very informative and interesting. closeupready Nov 2013 #2
I had never seen the photos of the burns before this, no one would laugh if they saw those Bjorn Against Nov 2013 #3
Links to some facts on the case... SpankMe Nov 2013 #4
The simple thing would have been for McDonald's to settle for $20,000 davidpdx Nov 2013 #5
A bit? I'd say a bit more than a bit. n/t VWolf Nov 2013 #15
My sis burned her ankle so badly she almost needed a skin graft Hekate Nov 2013 #14
McDonald's Coffee yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #28
1. Watch the video 2. Read the information in this thread 3. Use fewer question marks. Hekate Nov 2013 #37
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