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localroger

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17. You completely misunderstand this
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:13 PM
Dec 2013

Exponential growth is in fact the baseline model; there are modifiers, which are incorproated into the meta-model that generates the bifurcation fractal, but it all starts with exponential growth. The math revealed by the bifurcation fractal is seen all over the place in natural systems; management of deer populations which have to be culled by hunters, for example. The thing is the complex math wouldn't work if the simple math wasn't at its base. The fundamental problem is exponential growth. It cannot be sustained if the exponent outstrips the ability of natural death and other environmental factors to limit it. If the residual exponent after all such factors is added in is too high, ecosystem death results. There is no other possibility. The path to that will be extremely complex -- that's why they call it "chaos" theory -- but the math underlying it is now very solid.

If controlling growth is impossible then we are already the walking dead. The only question is just how bad the extinction event we are precipitating will be compared to the K-T or Permian events.

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My mind is blown! Growth is deadly. [View all] Courtesy Flush Dec 2013 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #1
Maybe. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2013 #4
I'm afraid I have to go with Hansen's assessment. truebluegreen Dec 2013 #7
I just posted this too, truebluegreen Dec 2013 #2
Luddite is my birth stone! Courtesy Flush Dec 2013 #5
Thank you! truebluegreen Dec 2013 #6
That line is now stolen. DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #9
Yea, except that resource usage and population don't work that way. eggplant Dec 2013 #8
Every single time you post this chervilant Dec 2013 #11
Sigh. eggplant Dec 2013 #14
Here, just for you: chervilant Dec 2013 #12
You might want to look up the term bifurcation fractal localroger Dec 2013 #15
Look, all I said was that the OP's point (exponential growth) was simplictic and wrong. eggplant Dec 2013 #16
You completely misunderstand this localroger Dec 2013 #17
Humans are the ultimate ponzi scheme. DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #10
I used to use this video to teach exponential growth to my precalc class. freedom fighter jh Dec 2013 #13
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