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Veilex

(1,555 posts)
50. Uhhh no...
Wed Mar 5, 2014, 10:56 PM
Mar 2014

“Where is the science to refute the video? THAT'S the question you should be asking."

that’s not how this works. If you state a position on science, and someone challenges your position on that science, it is incumbent upon you to provide your research to show that you’re not blowing smoke. You don’t get to say “prove me wrong”… you have to prove yourself right else you simply have zero credibility… and that’s exactly what is going on here. The video is being challenged, and neither you nor the poster has anything to show scientific validity. So the video has zero credibility. Done.

“You cannot expect people to accept large companies putting GMOs in our food with no testing, at all, of the safety of these products.”
I don’t… and they shouldn’t. GMO as a science is still very new and should be heavily questioned, in the same manner we do anything new and relatively unknown. But this is not about questioning the procedures of the testing processes that should be undertaken and enforced, particularly when dealing with something as potentially dangerous, and certainly unknown, as GMOs… this is about the veracity of this one video… it’s not me going out there and saying “GMOs are good mmmkay…”, I’ve already stated I’m dubious of GMOs… why that doesn’t sink in for you is beyond me. The problem is, there is no solid scientific evidence to support this video…and I’m not going to just give over to confirmation bias and say “It agrees with my doubts about GMOs and therefore must be true!!!”, because in the long run, it’d just undercut any real science that gets done!

“We should not have to prove that this crap is not harmful. The manufacturers should FIRST have to prove that it is not.”
I agree, wholeheartedly. But again, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the veracity of the video!

“No one is personally attacking you, but your obvious refusal to answer a simple question is telling on you.”

You’re so focused in on my refusal to get sucked into a different argument that you’re missing the forest for the trees.
I’m not for GMOs. You keep insisting I am. Sorry, I know myself better than you. Monsanto disgusts me with all the foul deeds they’ve done. They created agent orange, destroying the lives of many a veteran, bullied countless businesses to carry their crap products (seed and pesticides), and they’ve cost many farmers and other environmentally friendly agro groups their livelihood!
I can quite literally go out and show you a scientific paper that raises concerns about GMOs destroying environmental diversity… and its even been peer reviewed. I embrace the hell out of that paper.
I will not embrace this video. It. Has. No. Scientific. Backing. End of story.
That is my whole gripe about it. That’s it.
If you doubt that, go back and take a look at all my prior posts. I’m consistent about it.

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I want to like and share the article... I realy do...but Veilex Mar 2014 #1
Yup. Exactly. HERVEPA Mar 2014 #3
That's interesting. Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #4
You've already assumed i'm a proponant for GMOs and you're mistaken... Veilex Mar 2014 #5
I didn't make any assumptions... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #6
Because your comment is a framing for an argument I refuse to have... Veilex Mar 2014 #7
Seems a pretty straightforward question to me... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #8
so much for "I didn't make any assumptions..." eh? Veilex Mar 2014 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #29
So let me get this straight... Veilex Mar 2014 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #45
You clearly arent paying attention. Veilex Mar 2014 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #47
Still about attacking me I see, instead of supporting the video... are you GOP? Veilex Mar 2014 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #49
Uhhh no... Veilex Mar 2014 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #51
And yet again you ignore EVERYTHING I've said. Veilex Mar 2014 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2014 #53
BINGO!!! DeSwiss Mar 2014 #26
Question and Answer. CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #10
Please feel free to provide links to the... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #12
"If that protein is safe to eat from its original source, it is safe to eat in its new source." Veilex Mar 2014 #15
I'd like to see a single scientific method based research paper that has been peer reviewed on... Veilex Mar 2014 #37
I can only wish that our politicians in Washington, the USDA, and the FDA... bvar22 Mar 2014 #11
FYI, re: Smith HuckleB Mar 2014 #19
This is exactly what I was saying earlier... Veilex Mar 2014 #34
Peer reviewed, huh? DeSwiss Mar 2014 #27
Financial reviews are certainly a problem, however... Veilex Mar 2014 #35
Oh, my goodness. HuckleB Mar 2014 #41
The k and the r. Berlum Mar 2014 #2
Pure bullshit. CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #9
The growing chorus of people... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #13
So how come... CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #16
How 'bout this fact... Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #17
You don't know the definition of "fact". CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #20
we cannot prove the long term effects of gmo wisechoice Mar 2014 #21
Ugh. CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #22
it does wisechoice Mar 2014 #25
Again I ask... CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #38
Where is that I said you just ask questions? wisechoice Mar 2014 #44
Generally if it says "soy, corn or canola" on the label then it is GMO -- THAT is the labeling KurtNYC Mar 2014 #30
wrong conclusion wisechoice Mar 2014 #31
Allergies are, relatively, poorly understood but there is some agreement on the relationship KurtNYC Mar 2014 #32
Thanks for your input Kurt. Mr_Jefferson_24 Mar 2014 #54
The original poster... CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #40
It is not that easy wisechoice Mar 2014 #43
No screeching here... Veilex Mar 2014 #36
You're not going to change their minds. HuckleB Mar 2014 #18
I think you are right. CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #23
I'm with you. HuckleB Mar 2014 #24
Bullshit. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #28
What's bullshit? CSStrowbridge Mar 2014 #39
Now, that's funny. HuckleB Mar 2014 #42
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