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26. The problem is not that no one could do the division, but that the don't understand that

Mon Mar 31, 2014, 05:08 PM

Mar 2014

the question being asked is a division problem.
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That's really the key point. They need tools and need to know when to use them, to recognize what kind of problem they have.

Though from what I've seen and read of Common Core it won't help that either, too much proscription. I think the adults who are telling everyone what to do in this are going to drag American kids behind until they cut themselves loose from it, but the rest of the world will go on. Then again, that's what I think about most public indoctrination, not just this pogrom.

A.S. Neill and Summerhill showed us one way, there are others.

But I liked her speech, though she needs to speed up a couple of her "emphasis" slowdowns. One can go back and do some research, but I bet she gained some more supporters that night, and perhaps influenced that board.

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Arkansas Mother Obliterates Common Core in 4 Minutes! [View all] Jefferson23 Mar 2014 OP

k&r; this is a grotesquely wasteful neoliberal "reform" that's harming our children n/t zazen Mar 2014 #1

Rec! progressoid Mar 2014 #2

Wow. zeemike Mar 2014 #3

Sadly... Plucketeer Mar 2014 #4

Thank you for bringing some valuable attention to this totally truedelphi Mar 2014 #5

She just describes a math problem, and incorrectly claims there's only one correct answer process. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #6

Right wing, I see. The concepts she highlights that are being taught, do they make sense to you? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #10

She just describes a math problem, and incorrectly claims there's only one correct answer process. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #11

She was dishonest about how the children would be marked incorrect if they did not pick the Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #12

Yes, she was dishonest. Just like the right wing link you gave was regarding the NEA position. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #14

Yes, the New American stated their position, what did they get wrong? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #17

The NEA does not oppose Common Core. The Mom lied about there being only one correct process. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #21

Then you did not read your own link which I stated I used in my previous post to you: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #23

That was not at my link, and does not evidence opposition to Common Core. SunSeeker Mar 2014 #25

It is at your link, on the left hand side column. If you do not listen to your oppostion you will Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #27

It is you who will not listen. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #78

Do you not understand that her concern is the inefficency and bizarre manner in which the math Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #79

Yes, I understand the Mom in the video doesn't understand the technique. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #97

I am genuinely happy to hear that your son is thriving. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #98

If there is "more than ample evidence..." BlueState Mar 2014 #15

Certainly: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #18

Just an advisory, "New American" is a John Birch Society website. alp227 Apr 2014 #80

Yes, alp, they are right wing and they are voicing along with educators on the left and those Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #84

Everyone knows that it is better to count on fingers than use math. LiberalArkie Mar 2014 #13

It's the math problem that's the problem. rocktivity Mar 2014 #16

I never even heard the term "counts around" before this thread. nt valerief Mar 2014 #70

Same Here erpowers Apr 2014 #103

Agreed, SunSeeker cannondale Apr 2014 #82

Thank you. My son is actually being taught math with these techniques. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #96

It's as if they wanted the children dumbed-down. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #7

You quote a fictional character to try to make your point. idendoit Mar 2014 #39

I quoted a fictional character. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #41

In the future I'll be sure to dismiss what you say.... idendoit Mar 2014 #44

No need. DeSwiss Mar 2014 #46

*sticks fingers in ears* idendoit Mar 2014 #47

LOL SunSeeker Apr 2014 #99

She doesn't even come close to obliterating anything! BlueState Mar 2014 #8

The problem is not that no one could do the division, but that the don't understand that jtuck004 Mar 2014 #26

.... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #43

How original. BlueState Mar 2014 #63

I am far from a mathematician but this doesn't seem like a division problem to me. A Simple Game Apr 2014 #88

I missed the part where she obliterated anything. Gore1FL Mar 2014 #9

The Biggest Fallacy of the Common Core Standards Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #19

You should have posted that in the first place BlueState Mar 2014 #20

BlueState, the woman in the video is a Mom, and it does not matter whether she is a Republican Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #22

It does matter that she is lying BlueState Mar 2014 #24

She is not lying, she has a disagreement, clearly. If this approach, Common Core, is Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #29

She has every right to disagree BlueState Mar 2014 #35

She is not correct about how the work sheets were marked and why? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #36

Yes she is not correct about the worksheets BlueState Mar 2014 #40

Yes, and they do not understand it, why is that? She did not lie, the children were told they were Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #45

I don't look foolish at all. BlueState Mar 2014 #48

For crying out loud, the children are not learning. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #49

Who says the children are not learning? BlueState Mar 2014 #50

Funny you keep relying on untrustworthy accusations at me to make a point when you are not correct: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #52

You do know that there are more than 132 Catholic educators in this country don't you? BlueState Mar 2014 #54

Fallacious arguments? I don't believe you know the meaning of that term. You have demonstrated Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #55

I'm not dismissing anything BlueState Mar 2014 #58

No, I have not done any such thing, I posted a variety of sources across numerous demographics Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #59

You are too funny. BlueState Mar 2014 #60

Keep laughing and ignore the politics behind the decisions of those you trust and continue to Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #62

599 educators is not "the majority of all educators" questionseverything Apr 2014 #102

The woman is either ignorant about math or lying. She is completely wrong A Simple Game Apr 2014 #89

You can't "fix" education just by adopting "higher standards." You need HEALTHCARE, universal RBInMaine Mar 2014 #69

Sorry, but as a parent of kids who are using common core.... blackspade Mar 2014 #72

I sat down and did homework with my 4th grade granddaughters mountain grammy Mar 2014 #31

With good reason. It is not an approach that we, as advocates for children, should support. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #32

I am afraid for our children BlueState Mar 2014 #37

Yea, me and all those top private prep schools who refuse to adopt it. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #38

You can hardly evaluate any curriculum based lexington filly Mar 2014 #28

She gave one example to highlight the issues behind Common Core. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #30

I'll give you an example of the "issues" behind cannondale Apr 2014 #83

You find there are no issues with Common Core, is that correct? Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #86

"who I would have thought you would be familiar with, Jason Zimba and William McCallum" cannondale Apr 2014 #87

Your snark is weak. Non-teacher comments are not the only problems for supporters of Common Core. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #90

"She gave one example to highlight the issues behind Common Core." cannondale Apr 2014 #93

I have followed my own thread and the Mom's example does in fact represent a serious flaw. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #95

I wonder if the common core sulphurdunn Mar 2014 #33

The goal needs to be to correct mistakes and do better. We should be able to do that and we Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #34

I actually agree with the points in this article BlueState Mar 2014 #42

Wow. I love rational people! Helen Borg Mar 2014 #51

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Sure, it was a simple division problem. rickford66 Mar 2014 #56

Thank you BlueState Mar 2014 #61

When the students "count around", what are they actually doing? I've never heard the valerief Mar 2014 #71

I believe a teacher at a blackboard would show the students better rickford66 Mar 2014 #74

snip*There is no evidence that those who study these standards will be prepared for careers, Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #77

There is no system which satisfies everyone. rickford66 Apr 2014 #91

I think we need to be very careful with decisions like this, we owe it to the students. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #92

A few decades ago Thespian2 Mar 2014 #73

probably true rickford66 Mar 2014 #76

This parent is shebornik Mar 2014 #57

No matter what your test score is, your job is going to India until they pass TPP... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #64

Wonderful! Well done, Mom! I only hope the School Board gives a damn. Scuba Mar 2014 #65

Outstanding! pacalo Mar 2014 #66

Well done. blackspade Mar 2014 #67

Wow, if Common Core is like that example she gave, it's a whole lot of SHIT. nt valerief Mar 2014 #68

As a math teacher, I'd have to disagree cannondale Apr 2014 #85

perfect rickford66 Apr 2014 #94

States Finding New Names to Rebrand Common Core By dianeravitch Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #75

A math teacher addresses the concerns about Common Core math. alp227 Apr 2014 #81

Wow. Thanks for the link! I think I finally understand what my kid is doing...I think. SunSeeker Apr 2014 #100

Progressives are not behind the Common Core agenda from what I have read. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #101