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Peace Patriot

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40. This is an excellent--and wide-ranging--interview!
Tue Apr 21, 2015, 06:47 AM
Apr 2015

It's not just about the JFK assassination--not at all. It's also about the Martin Luther King assassination, and many other things, including Brennan's recent "reorganization" of the CIA which will put operations in charge of analysis (just what Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney wanted!), details about Allen Dulles (fired by JFK then put in charge of the investigation of JFK's murder!), about Harry Truman (who initially organized the CIA) and his published assertion, just after JFK's assassination, that CIA operations should be shut down, a discussion of the Anthrax scare and the FBI's wrongful targeting of a top scientist (who apparently committed suicide), a discussion of recent events in the Ukraine and the U.S. coup d'etat in Kiev (which initiated the crisis) and much more. (It even mentions the current tanoak poisoning in Mendocino forests by the Fisher family's logging company (the Fishers of Gap stores). It's early in the interview and I can't remember, just now, why it was mentioned.) It's also about General Betray-Us and other people who are "above the law" (unfortunately Hillary Clinton among them). It's about blatant violations of the 4th and 5th amendments by our government and its secret agencies. The general context is why a president would fear a CIA Director (why Obama would fear Brennan).

Ray McGovern mentions James Douglass' book ("JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters") and McGovern came to the same conclusion that I did, after reading Douglass' brilliant book: that the CIA did it--Douglass has proven it. It is an outstanding book and should be read by every American.

It's a rare pleasure to hear a media interview during which you feel that both the interviewer and the interviewee are trying to say what they really believe, and why, and are speaking about the most heart-rending and important issues that we face as a country. How refreshing! You may not agree with everything either of them says, but there is no question that this is serious thought from serious, well-informed people. Those who would dismiss it as "conspiracy nuttiness" are taking the easy way out. They don't want to think, themselves, or they have some other motive for wanting YOU not to think about what McGovern has to say.

Just as an aside--among many issues, stories and details--McGovern mentions his work as a CIA analyst during the Vietnam War. What he says is that he and other analysts were permitted to tell the truth in their reports for the Executive branch. indeed, it was their job to tell the truth. No president can function effectively for long without truthful assessments, based on facts (or at least that was Truman's idea when forming the CIA--to provide accurate information to the president!). LBJ ignored those truthful analyses at his peril. He was forced to give up a second term. Those particular truths eventually got published, in "the Pentagon Papers," and became public. But what I'm talking about is the internal truth, within our government. We take it as routine when government lies to us--they have done it so often! But when government lies to ITSELF, we are in far more serious trouble, and we only have to look at Iraq, today, to know how true that is. There are a lot of other examples--on economic, environmental, educational and other issues, and, of course, on foreign policy--but Iraq is the most dramatic. The disaster in Iraq is the direct result of our government lying to itself--promoting lies, devising lies, pushing lies onto us and others, but also, at all levels, and across the branches and agencies of government, lying to each other every day. The falsity of our government, within the halls of government, is itself a disaster.

I felt nostalgia for a time when truth WITHIN government was EXPECTED. That it would leak out to the rest of us, from time to time, was a plus. But, at the least, you felt, back then, that SOME government people were honest and that the truth would win out, in the end. I don't think that is the case now. I think that those within government--at all levels, in all agencies--are, at best, covering their asses and fearing for their jobs and/or looking forward to their pensions, and, at worst, are lying to themselves and to each other every day, on all crucial issues, including fundamental issues like who they really work for. Good people have been battered so savagely that either they've left government or they can't stand what they are obliged to do and can't wait to get out of it. There are no honest CIA analysts telling Obama that drones won't "win hearts and minds"--or, if there are, that is what Brennan's reorganization is intended to eliminate. Lying is the order of the day. And the weapons manufacturers, and oil corporations, and lobbyists and P.R. firms rule over the lies.



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Harry Truman's biggest regret was letting these Vipers ever form . JFK Called them out orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #1
They must be turned-out. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #2
Jesus fuck! longship Apr 2015 #3
Well, if you didn't watch it, how can you pass judgement on it? gregcrawford Apr 2015 #4
Some folks have not watched a single of many ISIS videos and have passed judgment. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #5
Would "CIA Analyst" refresh minds? pocoloco Apr 2015 #11
Specious reasoning , Fred... gregcrawford Apr 2015 #29
Have you read the book, Ike's Spies. It throws some light on the JDPriestly Apr 2015 #37
Thanks, JD, I will check it out gregcrawford Apr 2015 #39
Stephen E. Ambrose ancianita May 2015 #64
You don't know who Ray McGovern is? Where've you been in the last decade? maddiemom Apr 2015 #42
You'd like him, Fred - seriously. Ray is a real peace-monger. nt bananas Apr 2015 #48
Ray McGovern Confronts Rumsfeld bananas Apr 2015 #49
Thanks. I agree. A fine and courageous man. Name-recall is a failing of mine, basic OP info. was missing. Fred Sanders Apr 2015 #51
All I know about it is JFK's image adjoining "Killed by the US Government" longship Apr 2015 #8
oh I see... wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #12
In this case, yes. But I would be pleased to be proven wrong. longship Apr 2015 #13
who are you kidding? wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #15
I recommend the book Ike's Spies to you as well as the book, JDPriestly Apr 2015 #38
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. zeemike Apr 2015 #6
Well, like 9/11, JFK conspiracies have worn out their lives. longship Apr 2015 #7
Well at least chapdrum Apr 2015 #9
Let's get this straight. longship Apr 2015 #16
your post is riddled with false assertions! wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #18
From the DU TOS. longship Apr 2015 #19
you reconsider! wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #31
Your fucking threats do nothing but make you look weak Caretha Apr 2015 #60
Forget it, dear, The Kennedy assassination occurred a half century earlier whathehell Apr 2015 #22
I was a 15 year old paperboy in Detroit when JFK was assassinated. longship Apr 2015 #25
Then you should know better.. whathehell Apr 2015 #26
Because I like to keep people guessing about my true secret identity. longship Apr 2015 #27
closed minded opinions are what's "bollocks" wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #32
I have an open mind. longship Apr 2015 #47
Yeah, sure.. whathehell Apr 2015 #43
The truth lives forever, only a lie can die. zeemike Apr 2015 #14
Sez you.. whathehell Apr 2015 #24
Post removed Post removed Apr 2015 #10
If you don't like it, ignore it. End of story. whathehell Apr 2015 #20
Well, JFK was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald. longship Apr 2015 #21
No shit, Sherlock, but virtually NO one who was actually living at whathehell Apr 2015 #23
a lot of kooks do indeed... wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #33
LOL. whathehell Apr 2015 #44
In the video linked to by the OP (the one you admit you haven't watched), man4allcats Apr 2015 #34
Thank you, man4allcats! James Douglass makes an open and shut case against... Peace Patriot Apr 2015 #35
Thank you for your reply, for a great summary of Douglass' text and man4allcats Apr 2015 #46
That's only one of the interesting issues discussed. Sorry you missed an JDPriestly Apr 2015 #36
...! KoKo Apr 2015 #56
Is this McGovern clown friends with Richard Klein, author of the equally fictional "Blood Feud"? George II Apr 2015 #17
My sister dinger130 Apr 2015 #28
knr leveymg Apr 2015 #30
This is an excellent--and wide-ranging--interview! Peace Patriot Apr 2015 #40
Excellent synopsis - and now that book is on my library hold list. canoeist52 Apr 2015 #41
K & R (eom) CanSocDem Apr 2015 #45
It is simpler than that n2doc Apr 2015 #50
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #52
Obama seems to trust Brennan, for whatever reason. If he feared him, why pass him GusFring Apr 2015 #53
McGovern is a disinformation spewer IkeRepublican Apr 2015 #54
evidence? wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #55
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2015 #57
and a kick! n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #58
Mondale on Blackmailing the President MinM Apr 2015 #59
enlightening. thank you. n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #61
BTW Mondale was on Final Jeopardy the other night .. MinM May 2015 #62
very cool! n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #63
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