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yallerdawg

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26. Floor debate is where you get up and make a speech for TV.

Sat May 9, 2015, 03:46 PM

May 2015

They will have a couple months of real debate and our input!

Rep. Grayson's "video" can be refuted point after point. This is what Obama said.

Looking back, trade agreements have not lived up to their promise. He said that when he campaigned for 2008 election. Grayson says, "Look back. Vote no." Obama said this is the position they have wrong. But let's not trust Obama, he has been screwing us for years?

Grayson's solution - let's adopt the proposal of the richest 1%er in America! No irony there!

Why would our favorite Democratic politicians oppose TPA and TPP? It will be a win/win/win for them politically!

If it fails to get the votes, good! Back to the drawing board, next president please. And we still have the old agreements to blame!

If it passes, and is adopted by the member nations, and shit happens, constituent jobs are lost for whatever reason, trade deficits suck for whatever reason, things happen that could be blamed on trade -- they opposed and got cover!

If it passes, and everything works as forecast, a whole new world of global cooperation opens up, all the promises come to fruition -- who gives a shit you voted no, history was on your side and you stood with the worker.

We'll see what happens - but TPA and TPP are not the coming of The Apocalypse. No matter what happens.

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President Obama on TPP [View all] yallerdawg May 2015 OP

Wait and see? They_Live May 2015 #1

You know there are 11 other countries negotiating? yallerdawg May 2015 #3

Then, why fast track? HatTrick May 2015 #4

TPA does exactly that. yallerdawg May 2015 #6

You can show em language, they'll still turn around and say things like we won't know what it says Hoyt May 2015 #8

Oh, I hear ya! yallerdawg May 2015 #9

"worried about the future" They_Live May 2015 #10

Who been 'negotiating' for 10 years? daleanime May 2015 #11

correctomundo They_Live May 2015 #12

The United States of America negotiates. yallerdawg May 2015 #13

You really need to do some reading, here are some of the organizations that have had input. Hoyt May 2015 #21

Well, if you want to think of it that way.... daleanime May 2015 #22

So you don't think Vietnamese could benefit from more jobs, or we could Hoyt May 2015 #23

And that's another place we disagree.... daleanime May 2015 #24

Baloney Geronimoe May 2015 #2

THIS IS THEE NUGGAT OF TRUTH THAT CAN SWING SUPPORT AGAINST TPP, OF COURSE drynberg May 2015 #19

This is NAFTA all over again. HatTrick May 2015 #5

We lost the entire steel industry in this valley because doc03 May 2015 #7

In a "Representative Democracy" ie. ("Republic")... jjewell May 2015 #14

We are not negotiating between political parties. yallerdawg May 2015 #15

I could buy that... jjewell May 2015 #17

"A closed mind is a bar to any argument." yallerdawg May 2015 #20

My bad... It's 88 seconds of floor debate per member before the TPA vote... jjewell May 2015 #25

Floor debate is where you get up and make a speech for TV. yallerdawg May 2015 #26

You cannot refute Grayson's video point by point using the TPP... jjewell May 2015 #27

I can't, but Obama has said he could... yallerdawg May 2015 #29

As I have already stated... jjewell May 2015 #30

"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink." yallerdawg May 2015 #31

Yes. My mind is made up. As is yours... jjewell May 2015 #32

Fair Trade, NOT Free Trade! panfluteman May 2015 #16

Mr. President your argument is completely unconvincing. Enthusiast May 2015 #18

Boo! Hiss! AtomicKitten May 2015 #28