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In reply to the discussion: President Obama on TPP [View all]

jjewell

(618 posts)
30. As I have already stated...
Sat May 9, 2015, 07:56 PM
May 2015

If this was a Nuclear Arms Agreement (like with Iran), I'd be in complete agreement with "Negotiation Secrecy".

I deem what Tom Cotton and his 46 "Fellow Travelers" did in in writing that letter to the Iranian Ayatollahs and
attempting to throw Obama under the bus without even seeing what the negotiated multinational
NUCLEAR ARMS AGREEMENT was, as tantamount to Treason.

An International Trade Agreement is in NO WAY equivalent to a Nuclear Arms Agreement.

My objections are mainly based on the "bum rush" of the TPA. I can't offer knowledgable objections to the
contents of the TPP because I'm being kept ignorant of it's contents due to the SECRECY attached to it's contents.

THIS I vehemently object to.

How can my elected representatives reflect MY views on proposed TRADE legislation, when
my elected representatives are FORBIDDEN from discussing and disclosing the contents of the
proposed TRADE legislation to ME, his constituent??

I'm just supposed to just "trust" a secret process in a supposedly Open Society?

On a Trade Deal??

In a "Representative Democracy"???

After NAFTA???

Are you shitting me???

YES. Regular order through Congress!!! If the TPP does not pass through the gauntlet, tough shit.
At least everyone will know why. What's the big rush that it needs to bypass regular order?

Why can it not be openly debated and/or amended???

Bottom line:

When Wall Street, Orrin Hatch, Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, the Chamber of Commerce,
companies like Nike and President Obama are on one side of a debate, and Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren,
Alan Grayson, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the Congressional Black Caucus are the other side of the debate,
I'll choose Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and the Congressional Black Caucus
EVERYTIME.

You may want to reconsider who is throwing whom under the bus.

And by the way, where is Hillary on this???

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President Obama on TPP [View all] yallerdawg May 2015 OP
Wait and see? They_Live May 2015 #1
You know there are 11 other countries negotiating? yallerdawg May 2015 #3
Then, why fast track? HatTrick May 2015 #4
TPA does exactly that. yallerdawg May 2015 #6
You can show em language, they'll still turn around and say things like we won't know what it says Hoyt May 2015 #8
Oh, I hear ya! yallerdawg May 2015 #9
"worried about the future" They_Live May 2015 #10
Who been 'negotiating' for 10 years? daleanime May 2015 #11
correctomundo They_Live May 2015 #12
The United States of America negotiates. yallerdawg May 2015 #13
You really need to do some reading, here are some of the organizations that have had input. Hoyt May 2015 #21
Well, if you want to think of it that way.... daleanime May 2015 #22
So you don't think Vietnamese could benefit from more jobs, or we could Hoyt May 2015 #23
And that's another place we disagree.... daleanime May 2015 #24
Baloney Geronimoe May 2015 #2
THIS IS THEE NUGGAT OF TRUTH THAT CAN SWING SUPPORT AGAINST TPP, OF COURSE drynberg May 2015 #19
This is NAFTA all over again. HatTrick May 2015 #5
We lost the entire steel industry in this valley because doc03 May 2015 #7
In a "Representative Democracy" ie. ("Republic")... jjewell May 2015 #14
We are not negotiating between political parties. yallerdawg May 2015 #15
I could buy that... jjewell May 2015 #17
"A closed mind is a bar to any argument." yallerdawg May 2015 #20
My bad... It's 88 seconds of floor debate per member before the TPA vote... jjewell May 2015 #25
Floor debate is where you get up and make a speech for TV. yallerdawg May 2015 #26
You cannot refute Grayson's video point by point using the TPP... jjewell May 2015 #27
I can't, but Obama has said he could... yallerdawg May 2015 #29
As I have already stated... jjewell May 2015 #30
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make 'em drink." yallerdawg May 2015 #31
Yes. My mind is made up. As is yours... jjewell May 2015 #32
Fair Trade, NOT Free Trade! panfluteman May 2015 #16
Mr. President your argument is completely unconvincing. Enthusiast May 2015 #18
Boo! Hiss! AtomicKitten May 2015 #28
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