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SheilaT

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15. It's the problem with any and all third party candidates.
Fri Jun 26, 2015, 01:12 AM
Jun 2015

If someone already affiliated with either of the two major parties runs as an independent (think John Anderson in 1980) were to win, he or she would just revert to his or her original party designation, and all would be reasonably well.

I am NOT suggesting that anyone in this current cycle do so, although maybe a couple of the Republicans could and totally split that vote.

Another problem with an outsider like Jill Stein is that while she's smart and has well-thought-out positions on many things, she strikes me as rather naive about the actual political process. Better, in my opinion, that she'd joined the Democratic party and got elected to at least one of the many offices she's run for. She clearly has the energy for campaigning, but especially at the presidential level there's not any chance at all she can influence the electorate. If we had a parliamentary system in this country that allowed more than two political parties to be competitive, it would be one thing. But we have the system we have. It's almost impossible to change from the outside.

Even more to the point, Senators and Representatives are very tied up in their party. A few years ago a young man here in New Mexico sought the nomination as a Republican for the House seat in this part of the state, and he honestly thought that he could, if elected, behave independently and not be beholden to his party at all. He was running as a Republican because he felt that in this state the Dems have far too much power and simply did not want to be associated with them. But he had absolutely no understanding of how these things work, especially at the level of getting elected to the U.S. House of Representatives. I think he wound up dropping out before the Primary, and I'm not entirely sure which year it was, either 2010 or 2012. But I'd hear him being interviewed on the radio, and he honestly thought he could call himself a Republican, run for the House, and not be in any way held to behaving as the party would want him to do.

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In other news, Harold Stassen enters the race. HERVEPA Jun 2015 #1
What is his platform? midnight Jun 2015 #2
K & R Thespian2 Jun 2015 #3
Thank you.... midnight Jun 2015 #11
Plywood /nt staggerleem Jun 2015 #37
The Green party shows up every presidential cycle . . . brush Jun 2015 #36
I heard her on Democracy Now the other day, SheilaT Jun 2015 #4
That is a great question, I'm wondering if she might not get their support via her people midnight Jun 2015 #7
It's the problem with any and all third party candidates. SheilaT Jun 2015 #15
Good for her oldandhappy Jun 2015 #5
That is why they had to arrest her... midnight Jun 2015 #10
Debates used to be based on % of the support in polls rpannier Jun 2015 #25
Debates use to be held by League of Woman Voter Geronimoe Jun 2015 #35
Unfortunately, the Green Party in Texas TexasTowelie Jun 2015 #6
Texas has had it's share of troubles since Gov. Anne Richardson midnight Jun 2015 #8
I hear that they stuff the Democratic Party, too. But for some reason that's OK. delrem Jun 2015 #27
If Bernie and Jill were part of the debates they sure would get a lot more interst I think.. midnight Jun 2015 #9
Jill Stein is not a Democrat. nsd Jun 2015 #12
Your kidding right. midnight Jun 2015 #13
No, I'm not. nsd Jun 2015 #14
Well then go let this post know how you feel too.. midnight Jun 2015 #16
Intent matters ... nsd Jun 2015 #19
So we can't post stories about candidates from other parties entering the race? RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #18
Posting is great, posting is useful. nsd Jun 2015 #21
Oh FFS, take some smelling salts or something. delrem Jun 2015 #22
Not afraid of anything, just annoyed. nsd Jun 2015 #24
WTF has that to do with Jill Stein? delrem Jun 2015 #26
Huh? nsd Jun 2015 #28
So? delrem Jun 2015 #30
Exactly! nsd Jun 2015 #31
Because nobody EVER talks about Republicans here? staggerleem Jun 2015 #38
Well, Sherman A1 Jun 2015 #33
Trump, Christie, hell, the whole clown car are not Democrats... MattSh Jun 2015 #34
She makes some very valid points think Jun 2015 #17
Folks I've got to get to bed... I've got a huge weekend planned and much work to do... Everyone have midnight Jun 2015 #20
Heh, there are plenty of people posting to DU who are "to the right" of Hillary, delrem Jun 2015 #23
Are you just trolling? nsd Jun 2015 #29
Lie. You didn't "criticize Jill Stein and other Greens". delrem Jun 2015 #32
The Green Party candidate will probably finish fourth again. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #39
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