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24. I'm a Bernie supporter, but, this graphic does NOT say it all. This includes PRESIDENTIAL

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candidacies which is a whole different ballgame, a whole different arena. Had Bernie run a presidential campaign where business executives or industry saw that he had any potential to BE the nominee, they would have donated to him to cover their asses - they ALWAYS do.

You think Rupert Murdoch wanted John Kerry to be president? No. But he donated to him, anyway, and so did other execs like Murdoch - then they used everything else they have at their disposal to undermine him.

Sorry, but, context is EVERYTHING.

This graphic is a poor comparison.

You could run a graphic of Hillary Clinton donations and Republican Stephen King of Iowa and make a similar argument - doesn't make it ACCURATE.

If John Kerry and Kurt Schrader were both running for president, you could make a similar graphic, completely mindless of the fact that Schrader is the more conservative of the two.

Context - it's what SHOULD be for dinner at DU.

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When It Comes to Hillary Clinton Versus Bernie Sanders, One Image Says It All [View all] votesparks Jul 2015 OP

Wow. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #1

Yikes. That really does say it all! kath Jul 2015 #2

don't worry. a hillary supporter will explain it isn't what it looks like. :D roguevalley Jul 2015 #102

THAT's why Bernie can actually BE a populist instead of just PatrickforO Jul 2015 #3

Source? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #4

Looks like OpenSecrets.org. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #7

Thanks. Good source Android3.14 Jul 2015 #41

Facts upset some people. tymorial Jul 2015 #81

... AzDar Jul 2015 #5

See the line that says "Individuals" Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #6

Yeah, that's how they game the system fbc Jul 2015 #8

When you donate money, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #12

So most of her 'individual' supports work for financial firms? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #20

You also realize you're comparing Hillary's national campaign money Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #25

Why would the majority of her financial support AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #26

May I speak for them? (Inserts fingers into ears) "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!" roguevalley Jul 2015 #103

Gee I wonder what kind of companies are based in NY... Agschmid Jul 2015 #151

"The majority of those that work for financial firms are not big money." a2liberal Jul 2015 #117

"supports their industry." That's what makes the fact that so many of her donors are JDPriestly Jul 2015 #130

And at the same time a2liberal Jul 2015 #149

From Opensecrets.org Hillary's top donors for 2008 aggiesal Jul 2015 #123

Wall Street isn't in Idaho. NYC is the financial center of the world. MADem Jul 2015 #124

The criticisms are related to the issue of Citizens United. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #131

+ a shitload BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #48

oh, and there is a HUGE factual error in your post. fbc Jul 2015 #9

What I said is EXACTLY what you posted. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #11

percentage of total donations does not equal percentage of total money fbc Jul 2015 #13

Aside from the term "donation" being something of a misnomer these days ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #38

No, you said 91% of the money, not 91% of the donations. cui bono Jul 2015 #116

Sanders supporters are trying to Smear Hillary! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #16

Why is it a smear? fbc Jul 2015 #19

Who said that juajen Jul 2015 #118

Bankers and Brokers -vs- Teachers and Carpenters. progressoid Jul 2015 #15

Tellers and janitors and... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #18

Do you have numbers representing the average per capita annual political donations ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #40

Do you? N/t Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #50

You made the claim. merrily Jul 2015 #52

Custodial work is usually done by outside contractors so they wouldn't be counted. progressoid Jul 2015 #46

You mean "Wall Street Janitors" aren't her number-one contributors? arcane1 Jul 2015 #90

Let's not forget boys in the mailroom! progressoid Jul 2015 #110

Widely debunked? Really? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #42

It's been debunked on DU for months. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #51

I don't find posting links that tiring. merrily Jul 2015 #53

Oh I know, copy-and-paste is so exhausting. Android3.14 Jul 2015 #54

Sorry, I was posting from my phone... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #56

I've been looking at the many posts at your first link. Which post or posts do you think merrily Jul 2015 #59

I just gave you some info from a quick search. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #62

No, you made a claim that your link would show debunking. It's up to you to support merrily Jul 2015 #65

No, I said "there is some good info here" Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #67

Again, the numbers are not the issue. And I've been to NY, too. merrily Jul 2015 #69

And coincidentally, Wall Street are not all of Hillary's donors. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #71

OFFS. You just cherry picked the "retired" donor as an example. progressoid Jul 2015 #100

Also, the fine print at Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #63

A number of people on this thread have already said that is an obvious ploy. merrily Jul 2015 #66

. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #68

Third Way triangulation. Got it. merrily Jul 2015 #70

Obtuse. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #72

I took high school geometry too. I was trying to save you from stooping to merrily Jul 2015 #78

Oh snap LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #120

LOL. But he didn't get it. (Oh, the irony.) merrily Jul 2015 #122

great graphic in your sig line smiley Jul 2015 #139

91% of the individual donations, not 91% of the money virtualobserver Jul 2015 #73

Keep in mind, the MAX donation cap is $2,700. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #80

It is impressive by any measure virtualobserver Jul 2015 #94

Thats why a smarmy word guy is vital to a status quo campaign. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #142

I would advise the good reader to check out how the PAC's work Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #82

I don't see the difference if Goldman-Sachs gives a donation via PAC or has their top exec's all rhett o rick Jul 2015 #98

Can you please provide a link Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #135

To anyone reading this thread... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #141

64% Says It All stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #10

No, It doesn't say anything about HIllary! Most of her donation are under 100 lewebley3 Jul 2015 #14

The Dennis Kucinich candidate. Cleita Jul 2015 #21

McGovern? Really? Sanders is like McGovern? Gore1FL Jul 2015 #22

They always keep trying to trot out that dead horse Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #132

i'm a young voter. Bellower Jul 2015 #159

I remember this campaign Gothmog Sep 2015 #186

Can Bernie Really Win serbbral Jul 2015 #27

I agree that Hillary has been tested... MattSh Jul 2015 #37

Hillary has never come up short: She has worked hard, and helped Lead the Dem lewebley3 Jul 2015 #61

Uh, you do realize 2008 was not that long ago, right? jeff47 Jul 2015 #126

No, she didn't come up short" Most of the USA wants her to become President lewebley3 Jul 2015 #162

Hey! Where'd those goalposts go? jeff47 Jul 2015 #163

Obama didn't win enough electoral to votes to get the nomination lewebley3 Jul 2015 #165

Has Kucinich ever packed 10,000+ midwesterners MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #45

"The number could be a sore spot for Clinton." progressoid Jul 2015 #47

I saw this and thought, uh oh, they better be telling the 100% truth BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #49

Democrats REALLY need to stop repeating the McGovern myth as an excuse to go right. merrily Jul 2015 #55

McGovern is not a myth: He was lesson we should not forget lewebley3 Jul 2015 #92

That is false. Read the thread to which I linked you. merrily Jul 2015 #99

Dems can't have another Wall Street candidate arcane1 Jul 2015 #64

Sanders is the MCGovern canidate lewebley3 Jul 2015 #74

Most Americans are liberal, they just don't know it. arcane1 Jul 2015 #77

Sanders has not experience or track record dealing with Wall St or the Banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #86

"The Clinton dealt with banks just fine" arcane1 Jul 2015 #88

Bush crashed the economy: Clinton's economy was one of the Best In history lewebley3 Jul 2015 #95

Well, you've proven you know nothing about the economy arcane1 Jul 2015 #96

You know there was a certain senator from Vermont that lead the effort to audit the Fed... cascadiance Jul 2015 #87

No, he doesn't, Sanders supporters keep telling everyone he doesn't know Bankers. lewebley3 Jul 2015 #89

I think he doesn't *know* them the same way Elizabeth Warren doesn't *know* them! cascadiance Jul 2015 #91

There is noway Warren knows more than Dick Durin does about banking lewebley3 Jul 2015 #164

A Durin was a dwarf king of Tolkien's world that may have had a magic wand... cascadiance Jul 2015 #166

Warren and Sanders, are wishful thinkers, there not enough votes to break the banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #167

We shouldn't be friends with CROOKS like Jamie Dymon... cascadiance Jul 2015 #168

This politics in the real world Jamie Dyamon is a player! He is not going away lewebley3 Jul 2015 #172

Sounds like you would have voted against FDR then... cascadiance Jul 2015 #175

Again you live la la, Bernie will never be able to deal with the banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #180

So, WHO won the decades long fight to audit the fed dude? cascadiance Jul 2015 #183

Dick Durin is my senator: He is ten times the Senator Warren is! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #173

So where is this "Dick Durin" in the line of the dwarf kings? cascadiance Jul 2015 #178

He knows whats going on, Warren doesn't lewebley3 Jul 2015 #179

Sounds like you know as much about Warren as how to spell your senator's name... cascadiance Jul 2015 #181

No I know to much about Warren, she is nothing special, Sanders is nothing new lewebley3 Jul 2015 #182

Just tell us why the Fast track and TPP bills (along with other mysterious "trade" bills later) cascadiance Jul 2015 #184

Are you saying Hilary is the only one to reform the banking snagglepuss Jul 2015 #150

Yes, I am saying Hilary more qualified to deal with banks! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #161

No matter which year it is, McGovern didn't lose because he was too liberal merrily Jul 2015 #75

Thank you. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #107

We don't need another Neo-Liberal Corporatist Rockyj Jul 2015 #97

The union donations NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #17

Union busting busts the treasuries of unions. Fewer members, less dues. merrily Jul 2015 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jul 2015 #23

I'm a Bernie supporter, but, this graphic does NOT say it all. This includes PRESIDENTIAL blm Jul 2015 #24

Good point, wrong conclusion Android3.14 Jul 2015 #44

Again, context - if Sanders was running for senator of NYC he'd be exposed to entirely different set blm Jul 2015 #84

The context is RichVRichV Jul 2015 #121

Just not an accurate portrayal - Had Bernie run for senate in NY or another state like Delaware blm Jul 2015 #152

Bernie has stated RichVRichV Jul 2015 #156

Neither did Kerry - prez campaigns are different and after THIS campaign blm Jul 2015 #157

Oh I agree RichVRichV Jul 2015 #158

Message Delete KoKo Jul 2015 #28

Heart Bernie! n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #29

HRC Represents American Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Plain And Simple cantbeserious Jul 2015 #30

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #31

So happy HassleCat Jul 2015 #32

Then there is this image. OhZone Jul 2015 #33

Wow - Percentages! I'll bet there's . . . . . algorithms in there somewhere! hatrack Jul 2015 #140

I didn't realize this election was about Hillary vs Bernie. Chicago1980 Jul 2015 #34

The Democratic primary is not about Democrats v. Republicans. merrily Jul 2015 #128

STOP SMEARING HILLARY!!! Indepatriot Jul 2015 #35

Rec'd ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #36

Big K and R Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #39

Bernie speaks to the people.. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #43

actually some of the Hillarians have dropped the "she's not a corporate tool" and Doctor_J Jul 2015 #58

... Enthusiast Jul 2015 #108

.... 840high Jul 2015 #119

Wow! It sure does rock Jul 2015 #60

Nice image obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2015 #76

That is interesting. She is going to out pace Obama's wallstreet donations from 08 at this rate tymorial Jul 2015 #79

This is proof those who know Hillary is the better candidate and is donating more to her. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #83

it's also proof that president sanders will support working class people while president Clinton Doctor_J Jul 2015 #109

So far she is the same on issues affecting working class people so I must conclude if Hillary is Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #111

Really? What's her stance on the TPP? Red Knight Jul 2015 #125

She has given her opinion on TPP, she has some areas of concern. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #144

She is pro tpp, Sanders is not. she is against single payer healthcare, Sanders is for it Doctor_J Jul 2015 #137

As president one part of the job requirements is trade. If Bernie is against trade then he would Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #147

did you respond to the wrong post? you made the ridiculous claim that Doctor_J Jul 2015 #154

Oh, is Bernie against wage increases? Is Bernie for wage disparity. If Bernie is against trade Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #155

We were promised more jobs and higher wages from NAFTA too! Promises, Promises!!! cascadiance Jul 2015 #169

I did not list all the differences with these two candidates, you have concerns with some of Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #170

Please help us out with your concerns... cascadiance Jul 2015 #171

To be honest with you I have stated areas of differences, I doubt it would change your mind on Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #174

Sorry, but I don't have the time to track down those specifics... cascadiance Jul 2015 #176

It is not going to make a difference with me. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #177

The graphic is irrelevant. merrily Jul 2015 #85

Yes, it does say it all...Hillary is simply another Neoliberal controlled by big money emsimon33 Jul 2015 #93

if there were one word people should learn, it's 'neoliberal' HFRN Jul 2015 #105

K&R!!! CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #101

kinda sums it up, doesnt it? HFRN Jul 2015 #104

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #106

kicked.. important to see regardless of your leanings tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #112

This picture is worth ten thousand words randr Jul 2015 #113

And the GOP always claims that unions are rolling in dough. Beartracks Jul 2015 #114

With the Unions, they always have to think of the next generation Babel_17 Jul 2015 #115

I am "all-in" on Bernie but... Red Knight Jul 2015 #127

This election I'm standing with Bernie - and I am conducting my online self accordingly - blm Jul 2015 #153

I'd already decided to vote for Bernie in the primary... CaptainTruth Jul 2015 #129

OMG, one spreadsheet is worth a 1000 campaign speeches. lexington filly Jul 2015 #133

JUST THE FACTS, MAM, THIS AIN'T PERSONAL... drynberg Jul 2015 #134

From reading the posts, I guess one image doesn't say it all. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #136

Boom - on the proverbial nose hatrack Jul 2015 #138

Hope to see this in a campaign ad. Doubt it would be Hilary's ad though. EndElectoral Jul 2015 #143

I condemn what has resulted from the Supreme Court ruling, however, olegramps Jul 2015 #145

K&R Couldn't be clearer. If we want more of the same, we will get it. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #146

KnR KansDem Jul 2015 #148

An image of contributions made to Clinton 8 years ago? brooklynite Jul 2015 #160

A useful reminder, thanks! (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #185