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Dr Hobbitstein

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56. Sorry, I was posting from my phone...

Thu Jul 2, 2015, 03:23 PM

Jul 2015

DU doesn't navigate well on my phone.

There's a lot of good info in this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026506869
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6610245

It's about framing. The dollar amounts are correct, but the way people interpret this graphic is wrong. Individual donations from people (Hillary represented NY, where most of those companies reside) are not representative of a particular companies beliefs. That is, they are NOT an endorsement by a corporation. Bernie represented VT. A LOT smaller than NY. Bernie is also only NOW in a national election, not state elections like he has before. This is Hillary's second national. There's a lot of money involved.

Do we need campaign finance reform? Yes. But vilifying a candidate because they have an ability to raise the necessary funds, and because a lot of individual donations came from employees of a corporation is dishonest at best.

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When It Comes to Hillary Clinton Versus Bernie Sanders, One Image Says It All [View all] votesparks Jul 2015 OP

Wow. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #1

Yikes. That really does say it all! kath Jul 2015 #2

don't worry. a hillary supporter will explain it isn't what it looks like. :D roguevalley Jul 2015 #102

THAT's why Bernie can actually BE a populist instead of just PatrickforO Jul 2015 #3

Source? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #4

Looks like OpenSecrets.org. OnyxCollie Jul 2015 #7

Thanks. Good source Android3.14 Jul 2015 #41

Facts upset some people. tymorial Jul 2015 #81

... AzDar Jul 2015 #5

See the line that says "Individuals" Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #6

Yeah, that's how they game the system fbc Jul 2015 #8

When you donate money, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #12

So most of her 'individual' supports work for financial firms? AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #20

You also realize you're comparing Hillary's national campaign money Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #25

Why would the majority of her financial support AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #26

May I speak for them? (Inserts fingers into ears) "LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!" roguevalley Jul 2015 #103

Gee I wonder what kind of companies are based in NY... Agschmid Jul 2015 #151

"The majority of those that work for financial firms are not big money." a2liberal Jul 2015 #117

"supports their industry." That's what makes the fact that so many of her donors are JDPriestly Jul 2015 #130

And at the same time a2liberal Jul 2015 #149

From Opensecrets.org Hillary's top donors for 2008 aggiesal Jul 2015 #123

Wall Street isn't in Idaho. NYC is the financial center of the world. MADem Jul 2015 #124

The criticisms are related to the issue of Citizens United. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #131

+ a shitload BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #48

oh, and there is a HUGE factual error in your post. fbc Jul 2015 #9

What I said is EXACTLY what you posted. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #11

percentage of total donations does not equal percentage of total money fbc Jul 2015 #13

Aside from the term "donation" being something of a misnomer these days ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #38

No, you said 91% of the money, not 91% of the donations. cui bono Jul 2015 #116

Sanders supporters are trying to Smear Hillary! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #16

Why is it a smear? fbc Jul 2015 #19

Who said that juajen Jul 2015 #118

Bankers and Brokers -vs- Teachers and Carpenters. progressoid Jul 2015 #15

Tellers and janitors and... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #18

Do you have numbers representing the average per capita annual political donations ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #40

Do you? N/t Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #50

You made the claim. merrily Jul 2015 #52

Custodial work is usually done by outside contractors so they wouldn't be counted. progressoid Jul 2015 #46

You mean "Wall Street Janitors" aren't her number-one contributors? arcane1 Jul 2015 #90

Let's not forget boys in the mailroom! progressoid Jul 2015 #110

Widely debunked? Really? Android3.14 Jul 2015 #42

It's been debunked on DU for months. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #51

I don't find posting links that tiring. merrily Jul 2015 #53

Oh I know, copy-and-paste is so exhausting. Android3.14 Jul 2015 #54

Sorry, I was posting from my phone... Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #56

I've been looking at the many posts at your first link. Which post or posts do you think merrily Jul 2015 #59

I just gave you some info from a quick search. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #62

No, you made a claim that your link would show debunking. It's up to you to support merrily Jul 2015 #65

No, I said "there is some good info here" Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #67

Again, the numbers are not the issue. And I've been to NY, too. merrily Jul 2015 #69

And coincidentally, Wall Street are not all of Hillary's donors. n/t Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #71

OFFS. You just cherry picked the "retired" donor as an example. progressoid Jul 2015 #100

Also, the fine print at Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #63

A number of people on this thread have already said that is an obvious ploy. merrily Jul 2015 #66

. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #68

Third Way triangulation. Got it. merrily Jul 2015 #70

Obtuse. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #72

I took high school geometry too. I was trying to save you from stooping to merrily Jul 2015 #78

Oh snap LiberalLovinLug Jul 2015 #120

LOL. But he didn't get it. (Oh, the irony.) merrily Jul 2015 #122

great graphic in your sig line smiley Jul 2015 #139

91% of the individual donations, not 91% of the money virtualobserver Jul 2015 #73

Keep in mind, the MAX donation cap is $2,700. Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #80

It is impressive by any measure virtualobserver Jul 2015 #94

Thats why a smarmy word guy is vital to a status quo campaign. nt Snotcicles Jul 2015 #142

I would advise the good reader to check out how the PAC's work Stargazer99 Jul 2015 #82

I don't see the difference if Goldman-Sachs gives a donation via PAC or has their top exec's all rhett o rick Jul 2015 #98

Can you please provide a link Motown_Johnny Jul 2015 #135

To anyone reading this thread... shaayecanaan Jul 2015 #141

64% Says It All stonecutter357 Jul 2015 #10

No, It doesn't say anything about HIllary! Most of her donation are under 100 lewebley3 Jul 2015 #14

The Dennis Kucinich candidate. Cleita Jul 2015 #21

McGovern? Really? Sanders is like McGovern? Gore1FL Jul 2015 #22

They always keep trying to trot out that dead horse Art_from_Ark Jul 2015 #132

i'm a young voter. Bellower Jul 2015 #159

I remember this campaign Gothmog Sep 2015 #186

Can Bernie Really Win serbbral Jul 2015 #27

I agree that Hillary has been tested... MattSh Jul 2015 #37

Hillary has never come up short: She has worked hard, and helped Lead the Dem lewebley3 Jul 2015 #61

Uh, you do realize 2008 was not that long ago, right? jeff47 Jul 2015 #126

No, she didn't come up short" Most of the USA wants her to become President lewebley3 Jul 2015 #162

Hey! Where'd those goalposts go? jeff47 Jul 2015 #163

Obama didn't win enough electoral to votes to get the nomination lewebley3 Jul 2015 #165

Has Kucinich ever packed 10,000+ midwesterners MannyGoldstein Jul 2015 #45

"The number could be a sore spot for Clinton." progressoid Jul 2015 #47

I saw this and thought, uh oh, they better be telling the 100% truth BrotherIvan Jul 2015 #49

Democrats REALLY need to stop repeating the McGovern myth as an excuse to go right. merrily Jul 2015 #55

McGovern is not a myth: He was lesson we should not forget lewebley3 Jul 2015 #92

That is false. Read the thread to which I linked you. merrily Jul 2015 #99

Dems can't have another Wall Street candidate arcane1 Jul 2015 #64

Sanders is the MCGovern canidate lewebley3 Jul 2015 #74

Most Americans are liberal, they just don't know it. arcane1 Jul 2015 #77

Sanders has not experience or track record dealing with Wall St or the Banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #86

"The Clinton dealt with banks just fine" arcane1 Jul 2015 #88

Bush crashed the economy: Clinton's economy was one of the Best In history lewebley3 Jul 2015 #95

Well, you've proven you know nothing about the economy arcane1 Jul 2015 #96

You know there was a certain senator from Vermont that lead the effort to audit the Fed... cascadiance Jul 2015 #87

No, he doesn't, Sanders supporters keep telling everyone he doesn't know Bankers. lewebley3 Jul 2015 #89

I think he doesn't *know* them the same way Elizabeth Warren doesn't *know* them! cascadiance Jul 2015 #91

There is noway Warren knows more than Dick Durin does about banking lewebley3 Jul 2015 #164

A Durin was a dwarf king of Tolkien's world that may have had a magic wand... cascadiance Jul 2015 #166

Warren and Sanders, are wishful thinkers, there not enough votes to break the banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #167

We shouldn't be friends with CROOKS like Jamie Dymon... cascadiance Jul 2015 #168

This politics in the real world Jamie Dyamon is a player! He is not going away lewebley3 Jul 2015 #172

Sounds like you would have voted against FDR then... cascadiance Jul 2015 #175

Again you live la la, Bernie will never be able to deal with the banks lewebley3 Jul 2015 #180

So, WHO won the decades long fight to audit the fed dude? cascadiance Jul 2015 #183

Dick Durin is my senator: He is ten times the Senator Warren is! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #173

So where is this "Dick Durin" in the line of the dwarf kings? cascadiance Jul 2015 #178

He knows whats going on, Warren doesn't lewebley3 Jul 2015 #179

Sounds like you know as much about Warren as how to spell your senator's name... cascadiance Jul 2015 #181

No I know to much about Warren, she is nothing special, Sanders is nothing new lewebley3 Jul 2015 #182

Just tell us why the Fast track and TPP bills (along with other mysterious "trade" bills later) cascadiance Jul 2015 #184

Are you saying Hilary is the only one to reform the banking snagglepuss Jul 2015 #150

Yes, I am saying Hilary more qualified to deal with banks! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #161

No matter which year it is, McGovern didn't lose because he was too liberal merrily Jul 2015 #75

Thank you. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #107

We don't need another Neo-Liberal Corporatist Rockyj Jul 2015 #97

The union donations NorthCarolina Jul 2015 #17

Union busting busts the treasuries of unions. Fewer members, less dues. merrily Jul 2015 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Jul 2015 #23

I'm a Bernie supporter, but, this graphic does NOT say it all. This includes PRESIDENTIAL blm Jul 2015 #24

Good point, wrong conclusion Android3.14 Jul 2015 #44

Again, context - if Sanders was running for senator of NYC he'd be exposed to entirely different set blm Jul 2015 #84

The context is RichVRichV Jul 2015 #121

Just not an accurate portrayal - Had Bernie run for senate in NY or another state like Delaware blm Jul 2015 #152

Bernie has stated RichVRichV Jul 2015 #156

Neither did Kerry - prez campaigns are different and after THIS campaign blm Jul 2015 #157

Oh I agree RichVRichV Jul 2015 #158

Message Delete KoKo Jul 2015 #28

Heart Bernie! n/t zentrum Jul 2015 #29

HRC Represents American Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Plain And Simple cantbeserious Jul 2015 #30

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #31

So happy HassleCat Jul 2015 #32

Then there is this image. OhZone Jul 2015 #33

Wow - Percentages! I'll bet there's . . . . . algorithms in there somewhere! hatrack Jul 2015 #140

I didn't realize this election was about Hillary vs Bernie. Chicago1980 Jul 2015 #34

The Democratic primary is not about Democrats v. Republicans. merrily Jul 2015 #128

STOP SMEARING HILLARY!!! Indepatriot Jul 2015 #35

Rec'd ibewlu606 Jul 2015 #36

Big K and R Quixote1818 Jul 2015 #39

Bernie speaks to the people.. mountain grammy Jul 2015 #43

actually some of the Hillarians have dropped the "she's not a corporate tool" and Doctor_J Jul 2015 #58

... Enthusiast Jul 2015 #108

.... 840high Jul 2015 #119

Wow! It sure does rock Jul 2015 #60

Nice image obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2015 #76

That is interesting. She is going to out pace Obama's wallstreet donations from 08 at this rate tymorial Jul 2015 #79

This is proof those who know Hillary is the better candidate and is donating more to her. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #83

it's also proof that president sanders will support working class people while president Clinton Doctor_J Jul 2015 #109

So far she is the same on issues affecting working class people so I must conclude if Hillary is Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #111

Really? What's her stance on the TPP? Red Knight Jul 2015 #125

She has given her opinion on TPP, she has some areas of concern. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #144

She is pro tpp, Sanders is not. she is against single payer healthcare, Sanders is for it Doctor_J Jul 2015 #137

As president one part of the job requirements is trade. If Bernie is against trade then he would Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #147

did you respond to the wrong post? you made the ridiculous claim that Doctor_J Jul 2015 #154

Oh, is Bernie against wage increases? Is Bernie for wage disparity. If Bernie is against trade Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #155

We were promised more jobs and higher wages from NAFTA too! Promises, Promises!!! cascadiance Jul 2015 #169

I did not list all the differences with these two candidates, you have concerns with some of Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #170

Please help us out with your concerns... cascadiance Jul 2015 #171

To be honest with you I have stated areas of differences, I doubt it would change your mind on Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #174

Sorry, but I don't have the time to track down those specifics... cascadiance Jul 2015 #176

It is not going to make a difference with me. Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #177

The graphic is irrelevant. merrily Jul 2015 #85

Yes, it does say it all...Hillary is simply another Neoliberal controlled by big money emsimon33 Jul 2015 #93

if there were one word people should learn, it's 'neoliberal' HFRN Jul 2015 #105

K&R!!! CountAllVotes Jul 2015 #101

kinda sums it up, doesnt it? HFRN Jul 2015 #104

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #106

kicked.. important to see regardless of your leanings tomm2thumbs Jul 2015 #112

This picture is worth ten thousand words randr Jul 2015 #113

And the GOP always claims that unions are rolling in dough. Beartracks Jul 2015 #114

With the Unions, they always have to think of the next generation Babel_17 Jul 2015 #115

I am "all-in" on Bernie but... Red Knight Jul 2015 #127

This election I'm standing with Bernie - and I am conducting my online self accordingly - blm Jul 2015 #153

I'd already decided to vote for Bernie in the primary... CaptainTruth Jul 2015 #129

OMG, one spreadsheet is worth a 1000 campaign speeches. lexington filly Jul 2015 #133

JUST THE FACTS, MAM, THIS AIN'T PERSONAL... drynberg Jul 2015 #134

From reading the posts, I guess one image doesn't say it all. Thor_MN Jul 2015 #136

Boom - on the proverbial nose hatrack Jul 2015 #138

Hope to see this in a campaign ad. Doubt it would be Hilary's ad though. EndElectoral Jul 2015 #143

I condemn what has resulted from the Supreme Court ruling, however, olegramps Jul 2015 #145

K&R Couldn't be clearer. If we want more of the same, we will get it. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #146

KnR KansDem Jul 2015 #148

An image of contributions made to Clinton 8 years ago? brooklynite Jul 2015 #160

A useful reminder, thanks! (nt) Babel_17 Jul 2015 #185