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RufusTFirefly

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44. OK... So, does "Hillary history" have any connection with actual history?
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:47 PM
Aug 2015

It doesn't appear to.

First of all, the original progressives came decades before FDR. They date back to the beginning of the 20th century. Among other things, they helped to establish federal and state income taxes. But more importantly, they took aim at large interlocked corporations (known as trusts) who wielded too much power and sought to regulate and dismantle them.

In the present time, the organizations that most resemble the trusts are the "too big to fail" banks. Judging from the company she keeps and the contributions she receives, Hillary Clinton would appear to be a great friend of the banks. That doesn't strike me as progressive in the least. On the other hand, Bernie Sanders, echoing his progressive predecessors, has openly called for breaking up the banks.

As for FDR, he was no friend of the banks either. He championed Glass-Steagall, which (among other things) separated commercial banking from investment banking, thus preventing savings banks from gambling with the money of their depositors. These and other provisions incurred the wrath of the bankers to which FDR famously replied "I welcome their hatred."

Unfortunately, under Hillary Cllinton's husband's administration the section of Glass-Steagall that provided a key firewall between investment and commercial banking was effectively removed, with predictable and disastrous results. Even so, despite what appears to be a clear connection between bank deregulation and the depression of 2008, Clinton has rejected calls for the reinstatement of that key provision. On the other hand, Bernie Sanders supports reviving Glass-Steagall, in other words, returning to the regulation of FDR's era that prevented banks from gambling with "other people's money." Once again, Sanders, not Clinton, would appear to be following in the proud tradition of progressives and FDR.

So, with all due respect, I think you probably need to shift from "Hillary history" to actual American history before making such grand and (I'm being charitable here) misguided assertions.





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True progressive is Bernie. Faux populist "New Democrat" right of center, that would be Hillary peacebird Jul 2015 #1
Keep alienating your Democratic opponents by calling them republicans. Do you think if Bernie wins the still_one Aug 2015 #27
There's plenty of sneering and derision against Bernie by the Hill supporters. peacebird Aug 2015 #33
You didn't even respond to my question. Do you think if Bernie wins the nomination he could win the still_one Aug 2015 #35
You have a nice day peacebird Aug 2015 #37
LOL, good response. you too still_one Aug 2015 #58
Hillary has no chance in hell of getting a majority progressive vote. I'll bet on it. L0oniX Jul 2015 #2
I am progressive, Hillary will and is getting the most progessives votes! lewebley3 Jul 2015 #3
Maybe I should take some LSD so I can fit in better with the crowd. L0oniX Jul 2015 #4
It would help to read that. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2015 #9
I did LSD in my teens and twenties. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #15
Really...................................... turbinetree Jul 2015 #8
Town meetings are not votes! Hillary in the polls has the progressive vote now! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #38
I don't think so.................................... turbinetree Aug 2015 #45
OK, I may be an ass, but I'm not shy. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #11
if one feeds a troll navarth Jul 2015 #12
When one has had 4 martinis, one sometimes can't control oneself. Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #13
Point taken! navarth Jul 2015 #14
Dos XX my friend L0oniX Jul 2015 #21
Almost forgot. Looking forward to P-v-L and L-v-P this season! Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #17
Indeed..... navarth Jul 2015 #20
May the best teams win! Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #47
You understood what I said! you are losing your argument when you attack the messenger lewebley3 Aug 2015 #39
I'm not arguing, just amusing myself. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #48
No:you have run out of ideas: Sanders is just a nice man lewebley3 Aug 2015 #49
He is a very nice man, that I agree. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #57
Sanders is true progressive! tularetom Aug 2015 #51
Hillary: is 20 points or more a head in most polls and she does have their Trust! lewebley3 Aug 2015 #53
Sanders walks the walk as he talks... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #46
No, has not: he chose his 73 year to speak up: others have been doing the work lewebley3 Aug 2015 #50
Your post is anything but accurate... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #56
It's time;it's Hillary time! c588415 Jul 2015 #18
The True Populist and Centrist is Bernie Sanders! panfluteman Aug 2015 #23
The sheer thought that "Hillary" and "progressive" are used together appalls me RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #5
You nailed it! daybranch Jul 2015 #10
+9999999999999999 Elmer S. E. Dump Jul 2015 #19
She's the corporate candidate with no genuine conviction or commitment to anything Alfalfa Aug 2015 #30
+1 Alfalfa Aug 2015 #31
Well it is true: Hillary is the original progressive: and is still a loyal Dem lewebley3 Aug 2015 #40
The original progressive?? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #42
No, just know Hillary history: and she descends from FDR Dem's lewebley3 Aug 2015 #43
OK... So, does "Hillary history" have any connection with actual history? RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #44
Yes, Hillary actual history is with the Dem's: not Bernie: She has proved herself lewebley3 Aug 2015 #52
who will win the total vote. captainarizona Jul 2015 #6
So now we have to redifine what progressive means? Gregorian Jul 2015 #7
point well made! daybranch Jul 2015 #16
She's a Bankster...and anything but a true Progrressive. SoapBox Jul 2015 #22
Exactly Alfalfa Aug 2015 #32
Go Bernie! But Nevertheless, I AM Worried About the Robin Hood Hats panfluteman Aug 2015 #24
Someone else. Sen. Walter Sobchak Aug 2015 #25
O'Malley elleng Aug 2015 #26
I'm guessing PATRICK Aug 2015 #28
That's why I support Bernie. Maedhros Aug 2015 #55
Bernie all the way Alfalfa Aug 2015 #29
Hillary-another in a long line of 1% progressives. They feel our pain. jalan48 Aug 2015 #34
"True" Progressive kjones Aug 2015 #36
Obviously Bernie. Fearless Aug 2015 #41
Bernie Sanders. No question. DinahMoeHum Aug 2015 #54
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