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In reply to the discussion: Pic Of The Moment: Anti-Choice Insanity [View all]Triana
(22,666 posts)... "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" is just FINE with evangelicals and pro-lifers -- but ONLY WHEN MEN DO IT. When it became possible for women to do that, well all HELL broke loose. Because males are some kind of privileged and women aren't human anyway, they're just breeding cattle - incubators on the hoof for men to use as service units. This is the asshole attitude behind the fact that we typically blame victims for rape - telling them don't wear this and that, don't walk here or there, don't go here or there, don't drink, "what did YOU do to cause yourself to get raped?!", etc. etc. -- but they NEVER EVER TELL RAPISTS NOT TO RAPE PEOPLE -- absolutely ZERO education around that at all.
Rape is fine in our society, some of it is even legislated - REQUIRED. If you're a victim of it, well too-bad-so-sad, slut (and any unmarried women or any woman not under the control or ownership of a man or a male-controlled legal system or society is a SLUT - watch - that's now it works). And a married women who is raped is also a slut and will be deemed fully responsible for someone ELSE'S behavior. As if she had any control whatsoever over it. This is WHY I call them the American Taliban. They treat sexually abused/assaulted women (and children) the same as the Taliban does. Little difference. "Oh well they don't stone them to death!", you say. Well perhaps not literally -- but they do throw rocks at them in other ways -- so that argument is invalid. They're further abused by a legal system and society that largely sees men as poor little victims who just can't control themselves sexually. No one ever suggests that they grow up and take responsibility for their actions. Only women are expected to do that (and to take responsibility for the actions of the men too!)
Here's another part of the problem I have with these dipshit "pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-contraception" attitudes: If you REALLY want to stop people having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" - then you had goddamn better be as hellbent on controlling the behavior of MEN TOO AND NOT JUST WOMEN. But notice we never hear a thing about that. We can't give free contraceptives to women but we can give free Viagra to men all over the place. No complaints about that from our Taliban rulers! How interesting. The double standard is appalling.
But it's all fucked-up anyway (pun intended) because trying to control the behavior of OTHER people (rather than yourself) is just NOT possible! You control your own damn behavior and let others worry about theirs. Because you CANNOT control theirs. That's why blaming rape victims for what someone ELSE (the rapist) did is utterly S T U P I D. And simultaneously, absolving men of any responsibility whatsoever for their own behavior is utterly STUPID.
And -- trying to control only HALF the people whom you want to stop doing a thing (ie: having "Sex for recreation, sex for mere pleasure" ) is even MORE stupid. Either everybody stops it - or nobody does - and that's because (duh) sex takes TWO people at least.
These dipshit attitudes from pro-life/anti-abortion/anti-contraception zealots are a goddamned STUPID sandwich with extra bullshit.
But the anti-abortionist/anti-birth control crowd says:
"We can't have these slutty women having sex without consequence!!!"
Well why the fuck NOT? MEN do it all the time! When are you going to start tying legislative strings to their testicles and penises? Eh?
Well of course you're NOT.
The bottom line is that "Gawd" designed HUMANS to have sex (If there is such an entity). They're designed to WANT to have it. And WOMEN. ARE. HUMAN. Well woops: since women are human therefore they're going to (want to) have sex. Married or not. Biology doesn't give a crap about your stupid legal institutions. It does what it's designed to do. And the lesser intelligent humans would do well to stop trying to prevent half the human race from BEING HUMAN and start living with the FACT that women have sex and much of the time they enjoy it and would like to sometimes do it without being punished for 9 months and 20 years, since our medical technology now allows this. And GOOD for the human race! Developing birth control/contraception was one of the wisest things it's ever done for itself.
As for trying to control only the penis-lacking population because we don't want them having sex for the pure enjoyment of it without consequence: Just STOP being STUPID. It's not going to happen because it can't. Women as humans -just like men - are designed to have sex (and to want to have it) and they have the capability now to have pleasurable sex when the hell they want without consequence and idiot evangelicals and RWingers are not going to change that. That toothpaste is just NOT going back into that tube.
Deal with the fact that it happens, that it is GOING TO HAPPEN and ensure women have proper healthcare for it. That INCLUDES contraceptives, abortion when needed, pre-and post-natal care. Treat women like the HUMANS they are and always will be.
If men got pregnant all these things would be readily available and FREE. If women started making laws controlling MEN'S bodies and what they can and cannot do with them, they'd raise HOLY HELL about how unfair that is. But we know how that goes, don't we? Pfft.
The double standards and lack of understanding / refusal to accept basic human nature (and that women are human) and basic human psychology and the penchant to to place all blame and responsibility for sex, sexual behavior and procreation on women is stupid and unworkable. It just IS and that is fact.