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44. I have tables and charts at home.

Reply to Human101948 (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:43 PM

Dec 2015

I'm a welder in my spare time. The company that provides my acetylene tanks has a whole book on that sort of thing. Freebie at the counter.

There are also industry standards accessible to anyone, as well as the fire codes that changed as a direct result of what came of the understanding of WTC7's demise.

The fact that AE911 still boasts less than 3k members, and the inherent rejection of meaningless standards by engineers speaks volumes. This is a technical field full of people who dig and test and won't budge on stuff. Fire code changes were acceptable nationwide. It's a point to consider.

If you said 'we changed this requirement because long span steel beams do X under Y conditions', and it was BS, you'd have a hundred thousand structural engineers saying 'prove it'.

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no. wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #69

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all that sophistry has little to do wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #73

Mixing terms again. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #74

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Which source are you depending on for this information? Human101948 Dec 2015 #42

I have tables and charts at home. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #44

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AND YET burning office furniture has exceeded the failure point of steel. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #48

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Your link helps make AtheistCrusader's point. cpwm17 Dec 2015 #55

That's why I find the Windsor Tower such a useful example. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #58

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Yes, but the oficial report had the steel fail Warpy Dec 2015 #13

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propaganda can't melt steel beams! wildbilln864 Dec 2015 #65