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39. Sadly, here's my takeaway from this

Thu Mar 17, 2016, 01:14 PM

Mar 2016

IF Bernie doesn't get the nomination (and yes, that is till an IF), we have to hope for Clinton to lose for real change to be possible.

He referenced 1976 when Reagan went up against Ford. Ford goes on to lose to Carter.. Reagan then tries again in 1980 and starts 35 years of right wing BS, that unfortunately, the democratic party bought into.

SO.. if you follow the logic... Clinton has to lose for the revolution to continue. Because Clinton losing will be the only thing that may force the democratic party to look within itself and say "what are we doing wrong".. why isn't our base turning out in droves?

If Clinton "wins" the revolution dies b/c we all know she isn't going to move towards single payer.. she will build on the broken ACA. She isn't going to move to REAL wall street regulation or REAL campaign finance reform.

But, from the party perspective her #winning will reinforce that they don't need to change.. the revolution was not necessary.

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Listen Up Bernie Supporters…Get a Grip. (Our own retrowire gets cited!) [View all] Bubzer Mar 2016 OP

Great analysis by Hartmann, as usual. StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #1

StandingInLeftField this is a a great thread! erlewyne Mar 2016 #91

Yeayyy. retrowire! merrily Mar 2016 #2

That's excellent deutsey Mar 2016 #3

In many ways... Wounded Bear Mar 2016 #11

That's exactly right. zentrum Mar 2016 #20

Way to Go Retrowire! Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #4

Bernie will win. ignore the negativity. the roguevalley Mar 2016 #23

K&R The way it is...Bernie's movement is alive and growing absolutely! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #5

To listen to the media you'd think Bernie was a sliver. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #22

It's all corporate spin lies. Like Chris Matthews saying Bernie is against trade, appalachiablue Mar 2016 #32

Tweety thinks Bernie is a communist. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #72

Sure does. But a week ago with DeBlasio CM brought up the s word appalachiablue Mar 2016 #74

Malloy said once that Tweety's authoritarian streak was from being an altar boy.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #75

Could be, interesting. One father figure/mentor was surely Tip O'Neil I reckon. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #77

I picture Tweety with a martini chumming it up with Kissinger. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #78

Either that, or Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #89

or "no foreign policy experience" - chris hayes nt hopemountain Mar 2016 #81

...and to some folks on DU klook Mar 2016 #33

Yes, sorry to say. Like Bernie is 'anti-international' and 'nativist' along with appalachiablue Mar 2016 #56

It's the delta, not the ratio ... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #55

I think Bernie will do extremely well in Oregon and California. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #63

Good luck, we may all be surprised . ... reACTIONary Mar 2016 #65

I live in California. He will do well here. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #67

Keep in mind that Hillary won California the last time only to lose to Obama. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #73

I don't think she will do well in my part of Los Angeles at all. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #79

This is very BAD for Sanders, tho. CA has large minority populations. Hortensis Mar 2016 #84

Why would a former Civil Rights worker do badly? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #86

Gee, why IS he doing badly? Hortensis Mar 2016 #92

What do you feel is being "denied"? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #94

More to the point, Hortensis Mar 2016 #95

That's not an answer. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #96

The 1/2 hour MSNBC & CNN spent televising Trump's empty podium vs. covering Sanders says it all. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #6

pathetic….. blm Mar 2016 #27

Our silence implies consent Lorien Mar 2016 #35

Thank you for the addresses. I will be writing today. Might you consider posting cyberpj Mar 2016 #37

I did. It's in the Bernie forum Lorien Mar 2016 #42

I listend to this show yesterday xloadiex Mar 2016 #7

Woo hoo, Retrowire! Grip, engaged. nt valerief Mar 2016 #8

Trump is on his way to be nominee. Sanders supporters must declare an Emergency zebonaut Mar 2016 #9

Wow! That's great. Duval Mar 2016 #10

This isn't 1976. Big money controls our governmment even more. Skwmom Mar 2016 #12

Thanks for your concern. Don't be sad. Phlem Mar 2016 #14

"Hillary will still prove to be as horrible as we all know." - Of this, I have no doubts. Bubzer Mar 2016 #30

Anyone who believes that Hillary is a "Progressive" CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #50

+1 Bubzer Mar 2016 #51

Exactly Nickel79 Mar 2016 #80

+1. Agree totally! dchill Mar 2016 #88

Right. Since when is mimicking the other candidate to get more votes a good thing? Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #15

Don't you know it's not about issues? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #26

Spot on. It's called the last midterms. Phlem Mar 2016 #47

You are so correct...this is NOT 1976. Raster Mar 2016 #17

And big money controls our government more than it ever did. Skwmom Mar 2016 #21

very true. IMHO, the death of Democracy comes not with a bang, nor a whimper... Raster Mar 2016 #25

Which begs the question, why Hillary then? Phlem Mar 2016 #48

Toxic Schultz must go & soon, from Both positions. All sucess to Tim Canova in FL! appalachiablue Mar 2016 #36

... And, would it be possible to ascertain what has become Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #38

The Wasserman Schultz' are quite well off I would think and the husband is a banker.. appalachiablue Mar 2016 #40

Oh, doubtless. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #44

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You kick ass bud! Phlem Mar 2016 #16

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Hi retrowire... I'm Sure You Don't Recall This, But Way Back ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #45

Well you do happen to be one of the most intelligent person on several discussion boards. LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #46

This Is A Reply To A Hillary Supporter Who Said THEY'RE THE WINNERS! ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #53

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Congratulations on the mention, Retrowire. stage left Mar 2016 #29

Bernie has to remain viable given Clinton's potential legal issues Arizona Roadrunner Mar 2016 #30

just how much can she hold on her plate with the investigations hopemountain Mar 2016 #82

Get Active! Are you serious? Lorien Mar 2016 #34

Sadly, here's my takeaway from this basselope Mar 2016 #39

Sadly, I tend to agree. Only with great pain will there be great change, usually. The pain here FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #90

big k and r! way to go retro! bbgrunt Mar 2016 #41

Thanks To Retrowire and to Thom............................... turbinetree Mar 2016 #43

retrowire the Superstar! SoapBox Mar 2016 #49

Thom is trying very hard senz Mar 2016 #60

I Think "Movement" Could Be Equivalent To "Third Party" gordyfl Mar 2016 #52

Well ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #62

Do you pretend gordyfl Mar 2016 #68

How many times does the FBI have to tell you that Hillary is not the target of an investigation? leftofcool Mar 2016 #69

Yes, gordyfl Mar 2016 #76

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Empty podium media. eom JEB Mar 2016 #58

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K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #61

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TYT had the speech on, but they were talking too much, and cutaway to Trump floppyboo Mar 2016 #71

I will not bother to vote if Bernie isn't the nominee. Madmiddle Mar 2016 #83

hmmf. That is just ignorant. I am sure Bernie would advise against not voting if he is not the lonestarnot Mar 2016 #87

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