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120. Um... I think you may be utterly misevaluating the likely future.

Mon Mar 21, 2016, 07:58 PM

Mar 2016

And, really? Nader again? I like Al Gore, a great deal, but his campaign was very weak. I can't recall how many times I steamed at the TV screen 'right there! For God's sake attack the bastard!'

And his weak campaign made it possible to lose to a spoiled frat boy alcoholic whose daddy always kept him safe from the consequences of his reckless behavior.

You do realize that Bill Clinton would not have become President in 1992 without the candidacy of Ross Perot, right? I don't know how old you are, but that's how things played out. And even then, the sexual misconduct scandals almost sunk him.

Me, well, I like a little bit of actual democracy from time to time. The implications of the alternative are much, much worse than the difference than the question of how many wars Donald Trump would start as compared to Hillary Clinton. Especially given that I think you've got it backwards.

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The #1 reason why I don't like Hillary Clinton [View all] Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 OP

K & R +10000 phazed0 Mar 2016 #1

Collusion With Bush Family My #1 Reason billhicks76 Mar 2016 #119

they never expected such a fuck up and when you helped kill that many people roguevalley Mar 2016 #134

Kissinger said he supported the Iraq war because "we need to humiliate them" Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #152

Powerful. snagglepuss Mar 2016 #2

Very. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #182

Those links say it all choie Mar 2016 #3

Just sad... is this really the best we got?! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #183

regardless of what she said the u.s. was still going into iraq saturnsring Mar 2016 #4

So? choie Mar 2016 #8

her iwr vote didnt matter cause they were going anyway - maybe her constituents wanted her saturnsring Mar 2016 #82

How come most of us choie Mar 2016 #111

+++++++++++++++++ pangaia Mar 2016 #128

her vote counted. it counts to the living and dead. period roguevalley Mar 2016 #135

Whooop!... there it is!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #184

You condone murder with that argument. lob1 Mar 2016 #150

I was one of her constituents and did not ask her to vote for the war. eilen Mar 2016 #170

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #174

So was I. I knew what was up. Why didn't she know? pangaia Mar 2016 #185

Choie -- Your word choice is so much like that of Bernie Sanders. I saw his picture in your message, Akamai Mar 2016 #100

Akamai, I take that as a huge compliment choie Mar 2016 #139

And you should! Bernie has the straight talk to critical issues! Straight on! No time spent in Akamai Mar 2016 #163

And she was part of the enabling of the worst blunder is US History. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #72

yea and if she said no, iraq wouldnt have been invaded amiright? saturnsring Mar 2016 #80

Not the point. OwlinAZ Mar 2016 #131

Irrelevant. The point is about Hillary. She made another turd in that crap necklace she has wear FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #132

The larger point is Hillary now thinks she wants to be our President. -none Mar 2016 #179

Did you see her gushing about business opportunities in Iraq?3 noiretextatique Mar 2016 #192

And it was also the worst political blunder in her life. It cost her the election in 2008. ladjf Mar 2016 #146

"Hillary Clinton. She�ll say anything, and change nothing. It�s time to turn the page. ... FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #180

Her record of that type of behavior is vast and can't be expunged. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #181

My friend was likely to die of a heroin overdose anyway ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #110

well put Baobab Mar 2016 #118

That's part of it, but in Hillary's case I think the 2 bigger parts were ... Martin Eden Mar 2016 #121

Only Two Things Happen During Every Single War... chwaliszewski Mar 2016 #136

regardless of what she said the u.s. was still going into iraq AlbertCat Mar 2016 #123

Or your general election vote in a Deep Blue state. But that disrupts the narrative ;) JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #156

Actually that is a great point. So she could have opposed it and made us proud, but she didn't. rhett o rick Mar 2016 #154

She was running for President then. She is now. That's all that matters leveymg Mar 2016 #169

everyone's just so ungrateful to her--whether they're mourning the eggs she broke MisterP Mar 2016 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #10

Yeah, wow. That Libyan and Iraqi Freedom... that worked out well. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2016 #12

Hillary supporters don't care about this stuff. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #6

I agree. SamKnause Mar 2016 #7

Don't you get it!? She's vaguely awesome! Gene Debs Mar 2016 #14

She's vaguely awesome! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #124

You are wrong. But, it does not matter. It is so much more fun for you all to caricature seabeyond Mar 2016 #15

But it does matter.. phazed0 Mar 2016 #137

Sanders is selling a con and it is being bought. Sanders would be jumping into war and seabeyond Mar 2016 #141

I want quotes from Bernie and links to your research showing exactly HOW you PROVE that Hiraeth Mar 2016 #153

It is, those folks should educated themselves on his votes, but... pantsonfire Mar 2016 #168

wtf eShirl Mar 2016 #171

all they care is what Sex is going to the whitehouse PatrynXX Mar 2016 #17

For some.. a first woman president.. not all, of course.. pangaia Mar 2016 #65

I too would like to see a woman president. SamKnause Mar 2016 #66

I want the first woman President to be competent and ethical greymouse Mar 2016 #76

I want the first woman president to have good judgment and morals. SamKnause Mar 2016 #81

And for WAY too many... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #125

Right, that. pangaia Mar 2016 #126

Results LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #89

Thank you. cpwm17 Mar 2016 #104

I cared a hell of a lot more about Iraqis than the last "progressive" hero. NNadir Mar 2016 #99

It appears to me that the Hillary supporters avoid all thought about anything ladjf Mar 2016 #147

they sure as hell run away from anything like this that shows how terrible her decisions are Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #149

Naw ChairmanAgnostic Mar 2016 #178

+1000. Sickening. closeupready Mar 2016 #188

It doesn't matter zeemike Mar 2016 #9

Then they would presumably have been just as happy with Carly Fiorina. Gene Debs Mar 2016 #16

Only if Carly had a (D) by her name. -none Mar 2016 #189

I actually think having a woman president would be good for society mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #29

Hillary if elected President would probably guarantee A Simple Game Mar 2016 #70

Me too. zeemike Mar 2016 #97

Agreed mindwalker_i Mar 2016 #105

You lost me. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #11

how should I know. Cheney thinks Hillary is great PatrynXX Mar 2016 #18

And the NRA has helped Bernie out in a pinch. pnwmom Mar 2016 #21

something like that... PatrynXX Mar 2016 #25

This is the second time you've made me smile today! Good job! eom Duval Mar 2016 #63

Did they hold a fund raiser for him. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #35

No, and the NRA didn't hold one for Hillary either. pnwmom Mar 2016 #49

Wow. Hopeless billhicks76 Mar 2016 #41

This is why fringy extremism always loses. yallerdawg Mar 2016 #47

End of story my ass -she freakin voted for it - she owns it! choie Mar 2016 #52

I won't waste my time explaining what she voted for again! yallerdawg Mar 2016 #58

and the explanations have been choie Mar 2016 #61

Bearing in mind that, as EVERY lawyer learns in law school in first year, merrily Mar 2016 #133

So did John Kerry & I'm betting you voted for him whathehell Mar 2016 #172

Blaming this war on Hillary is nuts! AlbertCat Mar 2016 #130

bernie has lots of blood on his hands but his votes for killing are good. thanks nt msongs Mar 2016 #13

What votes are that? zalinda Mar 2016 #20

Oh, and he made sure that the vets zalinda Mar 2016 #27

you mean the ones you can't identify or that are gross/dishonest false equivalencies? stupidicus Mar 2016 #87

Please Hillary, forget my birthday. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #19

Hillary: The Goldwater Girl "progressive" who may put an effing Republican on the ticket zebonaut Mar 2016 #22

i doubt that but continue attacking Hillary for something that is 50 years old MariaThinks Mar 2016 #24

letting a repuglican in the white house will create more death like you're exposing in iraq MariaThinks Mar 2016 #23

More Democrats in Florida voted for Bush, than voted for Nader, blame them. eom zalinda Mar 2016 #28

Get off the Nader crap. Fuddnik Mar 2016 #31

Hillary's vote wouldn't change the outcome? abelenkpe Mar 2016 #32

Ridiculous billhicks76 Mar 2016 #39

That's why I won't vote for Hillary. I don't want another republican Lorien Mar 2016 #46

Um... I think you may be utterly misevaluating the likely future. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #120

Bummer that her lack of LEADERSHIP didn't slow it down. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #122

Nader? Phlem Mar 2016 #160

What I don't understand Thespian2 Mar 2016 #26

What I don't understand is your definition of "thoughtful human being." missingthebigdog Mar 2016 #78

Really? chervilant Mar 2016 #96

astonishing... Thespian2 Mar 2016 #115

logical reasoning Thespian2 Mar 2016 #114

But but but she's adefender of women and children! peacebird Mar 2016 #30

Or the Honduras Kalidurga Mar 2016 #37

Or on welfare in the USA.... peacebird Mar 2016 #40

Yep Kalidurga Mar 2016 #42

Or other living things. -none Mar 2016 #190

And here I thought Bush and Cheney were responsible for the war with Iraq. Silly me! LonePirate Mar 2016 #33

Take Responsibility billhicks76 Mar 2016 #36

Did Bush and Cheney put those words in her mouth? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #44

Pres candidates talking about freedom and diplomats advocating for U.S. businesses is de rigeuer. LonePirate Mar 2016 #50

Do you agree with this? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #53

Do you have any idea who Saddam Hussein was? yallerdawg Mar 2016 #84

Saddam Hussein was a brutal dictator that ruled with an iron fist. OldArtilleryMan Mar 2016 #140

most americans are ignorant of history, even recent PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #167

I recognize that it is standard political propaganda which I ignore and then move on. LonePirate Mar 2016 #85

Your sarcasm is neither amusing chervilant Mar 2016 #91

So my vote for Bernie this past month makes me a Hillary supporter? LonePirate Mar 2016 #94

Irrational hate? chervilant Mar 2016 #98

When the Hillary hatred has reached a fevered pitch like among some people, it is indeed irrational. LonePirate Mar 2016 #102

I do not hate Hi11ary. chervilant Mar 2016 #107

bush, Cheney and everyone who voted for it n/t PaulaFarrell Mar 2016 #166

Omg. The Look Of Death. Something Not Right billhicks76 Mar 2016 #34

Yea, that's about as tone deaf as you can get Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #38

I'll be shocked if this doesn't get flagged and voted down lastone Mar 2016 #43

K&R zentrum Mar 2016 #45

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #48

Jesus, the horror. desmiller Mar 2016 #51

source for image Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #59

She's creepy as f*ck Lorien Mar 2016 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author gordyfl Mar 2016 #161

Are we being punished for chapdrum Mar 2016 #54

The beatings will continue until attitudes improve. Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #155

We've known all along that the war was a "business opportunity" for Americans Jack Rabbit Mar 2016 #55

I am a Vietnam veteran. I believe we all did terrible things in that war. upaloopa Mar 2016 #56

This isn't just about the vote. It is about disgusting and offensive comments and general attitude Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #62

Agreed. chapdrum Mar 2016 #75

And her influence was and is nauseating. Duval Mar 2016 #57

Do Hillary supporters ever read these posts, especially sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #60

I don't understand how anyone tries to defend this. Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #64

They evidently don't read these posts chapdrum Mar 2016 #68

Looking at the pics of the children with horrendous birth defects because of the contents of the Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #67

So much noise. Cary Mar 2016 #69

I heartily agree Carolina Mar 2016 #71

News Flash: Hillary to blame for Everything teh GOP has done Cryptoad Mar 2016 #73

Better yet, Hillary should chapdrum Mar 2016 #79

Those that want to Trash Cryptoad Mar 2016 #83

Hear, hear! nt SylviaD Mar 2016 #176

My #1 reason is she laughs at people dying. greymouse Mar 2016 #74

this makes sense too. nt Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #93

I have never once seen a Hillary supporter address that video. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #159

It's bigger than any candidate Babel_17 Mar 2016 #77

it's amazing how much support a neocon has found in the dem party stupidicus Mar 2016 #86

K, R. and . . . sus453 Mar 2016 #88

Thank You For Sharing These Truths cantbeserious Mar 2016 #90

meanwhile we allow 90 major universities continue to support 260 certainot Mar 2016 #92

Change Freedom to Anarchy she'd be right. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #95

HA! :-D It's not working. Time's running out. Tick-tock! :-P NurseJackie Mar 2016 #101

1) What's wrong with you? Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #106

Up is down, right is left, tyranny is freedom nichomachus Mar 2016 #103

I would expect those words from Bush. ozone_man Mar 2016 #108

reason #353 why I support Hillary Cryptoad Mar 2016 #109

Do the work like reading all the reports that showed invading Iraq was stupid? Perogie Mar 2016 #164

K&R.. KoKo Mar 2016 #112

We shall not be forgiven. What ever caused the military to jwirr Mar 2016 #113

How cold and arrogant. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #116

Wow. That's... wow. RiverNoord Mar 2016 #117

She makes me sick. BeanMusical Mar 2016 #127

She really thinks like that. fbc Mar 2016 #129

Which one was #1? liberal N proud Mar 2016 #138

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000! n.t. RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #143

She said that in 2008?!?!?! cui bono Mar 2016 #144

That statement by Clinton is a borderline psycho thought. It is an extreme case of ladjf Mar 2016 #145

yeah, even with all the lying, the pandering, the Wall St. connections, this is the deal breaker... EndElectoral Mar 2016 #148

But her pluckiness means it's all worthwhile. whereisjustice Mar 2016 #151

Some hard truths here. davidthegnome Mar 2016 #157

This is the neo liberal establishment mindset. We gave you freedom .. you owe us. YOHABLO Mar 2016 #158

So we offer up blood sacrifices to,....who again? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #162

Not JUST the one toward Iraq. But agreed: this one is pretty bad. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #165

I am sure MIC bribes Promethean Mar 2016 #173

I File this Under - "Who Cares?" Gamecock Lefty Mar 2016 #175

bush lied to her and all of us. artyteacher Mar 2016 #177

On a bus to DC to protest chervilant Mar 2016 #186

I'm just not cut out to be a Kissinger Democrat. nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #187

My neighbors are Iraqi refugees. IdaBriggs Mar 2016 #191

Yes! sammythecat Mar 2016 #193

welcome D. Trump to the White House.... Bill USA Mar 2016 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2016 #195

She's an authoritarian sociopath. dchill Mar 2016 #196