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Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
27. There is always risk. Nothing is ever a "sure thing"
Fri May 6, 2016, 05:14 PM
May 2016

The question is, who can bring in more voters? Clinton has several things running against her.

• She can only "guarantee" the loyalist portions of the party. The left neither likes nor trusts her, and she's had a whole year to make it clear to us that she has absolutely no interest in our votes. That's almost a third of the party, maybe a little more, that she's decided to dismiss out of hand. The "loyalists" still make up the majority, certainly, but they have a problem too - they tend to assume, in their partisan fervor, that their candidate is always a shoo-in, and might be prone to staying home because they figure "she got it."

• She's been similarly dismissive of independent voters thus far. Her beeing a part of a "dynasty" and very much a "business as usual" candidate are also strong negatives for her among independents, who are primarily independents becuase they dislike the "standard" politics of hte US. All she really has to offer them are the same cautious, uninspiring K-street pablums they've bene rejecting all this time.

• Instead - as things are looking currently - she's going to try to court Republicans, the "I'm not Trump but I'm still a conservative!" approach. Problems there are multiple. First off, party wonks hate trump, but the voter base seems to really like the guy. She might get Charles Koch's vote, but the entire McCleetus clan of Burpsville, Iowa is going to make his ballot irrelevant several times over. Second, even though the remainder of Republicans dislike Trump, they still hate Clinton. They've hated her for thirty years, and are going ot keep hating her for thirty more. Third, such a play weakens her support within her own party, because nothing turns off Democrats quite like a candidate who takes them for granted and goes over to play ball for the Republicans.

• Thus far, her entire campaign in the primaries has been centered around claiming to be the second coming of Obama and ranting and raving against her opponent's policy proposals. Trouble here is.. .she's most definitely not Obama. They share a party, and there the similarities kind of peter out. Plus, even if she were able to convince people that she was a third term for Obama, that runs up into the problem that.. .well, there are lots of people who don't want a third Obama term. That leaves her with railing against "The Other Guy." That brings its own weaknesses - It allows "the other guy" to frame the discussion, and casts the "opposition" as nothing more than a vapid protest candidate.

Sanders does better on all tof these. he can secure the Left of hte party, and makes a strong showing with independents. Though it's nothing to bank on, he even has some slight crossover with disaffected Republicans - the difference there mostly being t hat he's not named Clinton. He has policies, ideas, and propositions, and those makde up the bulk of hsi campaigning, centering him as an "issues" candidate.

Zero risk? Of course not. Just the fact that we're trying to squeeze a third consecutive term in one party is fraught with risk. But Sanders could very well do better in the GE.

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Exactly!!! And look where we are 9 months later - OMG! Equinox Moon May 2016 #1
He needs to go back on the show now and have them play that clip! Dustlawyer May 2016 #12
'Pundits' just AIN'T! elleng May 2016 #2
Does anyone else remember when the democratic establishment wanted to run against Nixon? Vincardog May 2016 #3
Nice find. bluegopher May 2016 #4
You must be from MN geardaddy May 2016 #10
Back at you... bluegopher May 2016 #36
He's a real POS geardaddy May 2016 #60
We could wake up to a President Trump left-of-center2012 May 2016 #5
Mr. Ellison Should Go BACK on That Show, Play the Video and Say... The_Counsel May 2016 #6
Funny how it will be the "retarded" "insignificant" "irrelevant" LEFT responsible when HRC goes Vincardog May 2016 #7
I Asked This Question on Another Thread. I guess It Applies Here, Too. The_Counsel May 2016 #9
Trumps weaknesses are Bernie's strengths. HRC can not attack Trump on his Corporatist policies. Well Vincardog May 2016 #13
Trump Does Have Weaknesses. We'd Be Best Served Attacking Them and Not Our Own Candidates'. The_Counsel May 2016 #24
Facts don't matter to the binary thinkers of the left. Thor_MN May 2016 #16
Hillary represents the extremists, today. Bernie represents the moderates and the independents. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #21
I stand by my words, facts don't matter to binary thinkers. Thor_MN May 2016 #22
So state some facts. How and where is HRC's position(s) better than Bernie's? Vincardog May 2016 #29
The person I replied to twisted themself into saying that Sanders is more moderate than Clinton. Thor_MN May 2016 #34
If her positions were moderate, she wouldn't have to lie about her positions. w4rma May 2016 #49
And gosh darn it, people like him. Thor_MN May 2016 #50
Exclusive: Top reason Americans will vote for Trump: 'To stop Clinton' - poll w4rma May 2016 #51
And you chose to ignore the most important stat in that poll. Thor_MN May 2016 #52
Will Trump or Clinton gather the critical mass of haters together to hate their opponent? w4rma May 2016 #53
You keep dreaming with your hate. Thor_MN May 2016 #54
You don't hate Trump? Aren't you voting for Clinton to keep Trump from winning? (nt) w4rma May 2016 #55
Nope, I think he is foolish, but I have no reason to hate him. Thor_MN May 2016 #56
My entire point is that I don't support Clinton, because her campaign, with her unfavorables, is w4rma May 2016 #57
Yes, you hate Clinton. And hate Trump. Hate hate, hate hate, hate hate hate. Thor_MN May 2016 #58
I do listen to all of the candidates. But, I also realize neither Trump nor Hillary tell the truth. w4rma May 2016 #59
You just keep on hating. Everyone needs a plan to follow. Thor_MN May 2016 #61
You keep on hating, lying about your intentions and pushing for policies that create more hate. (nt) w4rma May 2016 #62
Now you are hating me. And accusing me of lying. Thor_MN May 2016 #63
Who has the nastiest supporters? Trump and Clinton do. w4rma May 2016 #64
My personal observations on DU. Thor_MN May 2016 #65
This thread shows you have absolutely NOT been "neutral". I'm calling bullshit on you. w4rma May 2016 #66
To a biased person, neutral and opposing appear one and the same. Thor_MN May 2016 #67
To a biased person, neutral and opposing appear one and the same. w4rma May 2016 #68
I haven't seen shaky projection like that since the last time I was at a drive-in Scootaloo May 2016 #28
I never thought there would be a case to highlight binary thinking on the left. Thor_MN May 2016 #35
Of course you don't, Clinton is in the lead Scootaloo May 2016 #37
Hmm, I'm not living in 2008. Thor_MN May 2016 #38
I'm explaining a situation to you, please try to follow along Scootaloo May 2016 #39
Ah, so you think that no one can change their mind in 8 years time... Thor_MN May 2016 #41
That's a very creative misinterpretation of what I said. Scootaloo May 2016 #43
You are trying to squirm into your own ltttle construction to be in your comfort zone. Thor_MN May 2016 #44
Not at all, just trying to keep you on the topic you brought up Scootaloo May 2016 #45
Still trying to force your view... Thor_MN May 2016 #46
I'm sorry you're mad. Scootaloo May 2016 #47
No, not angry, not crazy... Thor_MN May 2016 #48
There is always risk. Nothing is ever a "sure thing" Scootaloo May 2016 #27
Good analysis there, sensei. Old Crow May 2016 #40
Honestly, I See Neither Hillary Nor Bernie "Bringing in More Voters" at the End of the Day. The_Counsel May 2016 #69
Republican voters tend to not be all that flexible Scootaloo May 2016 #70
So Again ... How Did Barack Obama Get Elected--Twice--to Such a Large Electoral Majority...? The_Counsel May 2016 #71
By shoring up his base Scootaloo May 2016 #72
Obama EXPANDED His Base. He Didn't Simply Shore It Up. The_Counsel May 2016 #73
I'll take a stab at answering your question--because it's a damned important one. Old Crow May 2016 #32
Wait! Is "retarted" some sort of double slam at Hillary or just a misspelling like "irrelivent"? maddiemom May 2016 #17
When did Hillary ever go down in flames? Control-Z May 2016 #25
Agreed. The polls are on a familiar pattern with Clinton leading. bulloney May 2016 #8
I understand your point and agree completely whathehell May 2016 #14
"bitches" was being addressed to the pundits jomin41 May 2016 #19
I understand whathehell May 2016 #30
He's spot on about Jesse Ventura geardaddy May 2016 #11
Send this around folks: Parasitic, overpaid and inbred Pundit Class at work. appalachiablue May 2016 #15
I'm pround to call Keith my representative. Thor_MN May 2016 #18
Let gas go up shortly b4 the election and kick everyone's pocketbook for about a month - jtuck004 May 2016 #20
GREAT, GREAT post. Old Crow May 2016 #23
pun·dit ... [ˈpəndət] ... NOUN ... Jopin Klobe May 2016 #26
they aren't right about anything. thanks for sharing this. MariaThinks May 2016 #31
Beltway crowd took Trump lightly, Annointed Jeb the GOP candidate. HooptieWagon May 2016 #33
One more reason to never watch those shows ever Ned_Devine May 2016 #42
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