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In reply to the discussion: If Clinton Is So Sure She Will Win, Why Does She Need To Mislead Us About The Popular Vote? [View all]LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)35. "We're winning the popular vote" ~Hillary Clinton, 2008
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/06/02/memory-lapse
Thats why it has been clear all along that if one of the candidates is able to claim an indisputable majority of actual flesh-and-blood Democrats it will be difficult to deny himor herthe nomination. But what if the majority is highly disputable, and everybody has one?
Were winning the popular vote, Hillary Clinton said last week, after prevailing in the Kentucky primary by a margin bigger than that by which she lost in Oregon. More people have voted for me than for anyone who has ever run for the Democratic nomination. These statements must be read with the sort of close grammatical and definitional care that used to inform her husbands descriptions of his personal entanglements. They are not quite true in the normal sense, but if made under oath they would not be prosecutable for perjury, either.
In a nominating process, especially this one, the popular vote is an elusive phenomenon. RealClearPolitics.com, an independent Web site whose numbers political reporters and operatives tend to trust, maintains six separate tallies. At the moment, Obama leads in four of them. With or without participants in the caucus states of Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington (i.e., states where voters preferences were expressed by gathering in corners and the like, and whose numbers can be estimated but are not pinpointed), and with the totals for both Florida (whose primary was unsanctioned by the Democratic Party, with the consent of all the candidates, and where no one campaigned) and Michigan (also unsanctioned, and where Obamas name was not even on the ballot), Clintons claim that more people have voted for her is factual. But her claim to be ahead depends entirely on a tally for the Michigan primary that is distinctly North Korean: Clinton, 328,309; Obama, 0. However, if the bulk of the 238,168 Michiganders who voted uncommitted are assumed to have been Obama supportersa reasonable assumptionthen Obama leads by every possible reckoning. And if only Florida is included, then Obama leads whether or not those four caucuses are counted.
Next week, after the three remaining primariesClinton is expected to sweep the largest of them, Puerto Ricosthe likelihood is that each candidate will be able to point to metrics showing that he or she is the peoples choice. Obama will almost certainly have the better case, especially in view of opinion polls showing that his national lead among Democrats has been growing, but the reality is that the two have been almost equally strong. Obama will remain the leader in the delegate count, owing largely to a more astute strategy, and he will be the nominee. If there is a loftier lesson, it is that the nominating systemand not just in the Democratic Partyis an irrational mess. But thats not how Hillary Clinton sees it.
Were winning the popular vote, Hillary Clinton said last week, after prevailing in the Kentucky primary by a margin bigger than that by which she lost in Oregon. More people have voted for me than for anyone who has ever run for the Democratic nomination. These statements must be read with the sort of close grammatical and definitional care that used to inform her husbands descriptions of his personal entanglements. They are not quite true in the normal sense, but if made under oath they would not be prosecutable for perjury, either.
In a nominating process, especially this one, the popular vote is an elusive phenomenon. RealClearPolitics.com, an independent Web site whose numbers political reporters and operatives tend to trust, maintains six separate tallies. At the moment, Obama leads in four of them. With or without participants in the caucus states of Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and Washington (i.e., states where voters preferences were expressed by gathering in corners and the like, and whose numbers can be estimated but are not pinpointed), and with the totals for both Florida (whose primary was unsanctioned by the Democratic Party, with the consent of all the candidates, and where no one campaigned) and Michigan (also unsanctioned, and where Obamas name was not even on the ballot), Clintons claim that more people have voted for her is factual. But her claim to be ahead depends entirely on a tally for the Michigan primary that is distinctly North Korean: Clinton, 328,309; Obama, 0. However, if the bulk of the 238,168 Michiganders who voted uncommitted are assumed to have been Obama supportersa reasonable assumptionthen Obama leads by every possible reckoning. And if only Florida is included, then Obama leads whether or not those four caucuses are counted.
Next week, after the three remaining primariesClinton is expected to sweep the largest of them, Puerto Ricosthe likelihood is that each candidate will be able to point to metrics showing that he or she is the peoples choice. Obama will almost certainly have the better case, especially in view of opinion polls showing that his national lead among Democrats has been growing, but the reality is that the two have been almost equally strong. Obama will remain the leader in the delegate count, owing largely to a more astute strategy, and he will be the nominee. If there is a loftier lesson, it is that the nominating systemand not just in the Democratic Partyis an irrational mess. But thats not how Hillary Clinton sees it.
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If Clinton Is So Sure She Will Win, Why Does She Need To Mislead Us About The Popular Vote? [View all]
GoLeft TV
May 2016
OP
Quit attacking Hillary: Sanders has lost: Hillary knows she will fight for every vote
lewebley3
May 2016
#59
Pointing out her lies isn't attacking. They didn't have WMD in Iraq, hello!! Not an attack.
rhett o rick
May 2016
#110
When she lied about the WMD in Iraq they cheered. They like her. She agrees with
rhett o rick
May 2016
#127
Hillary is very honest person: she has to be everything she does or says is examined
lewebley3
May 2016
#128
Then explain why she lied to the Senate about WMD in Iraq. Her speech was almost
rhett o rick
May 2016
#129
The Daily News is owned by Ruppert Murdoch. No different than FOX. P.S., Sanders still lost. The End
Trust Buster
May 2016
#2
Ruppert Murdoch is not objective by definition. He wishes to sow the seeds of division on the Left.
Trust Buster
May 2016
#8
Sanders has won a victory one way or other. He has exposed the corrupt culture that
rhett o rick
May 2016
#112
There is no division on the Left. The division in the Democratic Party is between the Left
rhett o rick
May 2016
#111
It was Sanders himself who had poor or NO answers to the interview he gave with NYDN. Sanders owned
riversedge
May 2016
#76
I see you don't understand what a representative government stands for. n/t
A Simple Game
May 2016
#13
For the same reason Trump is always bragging about his crowd and (ahem) hand size
corkhead
May 2016
#7
Trust me, that was twelve tons of sarcasm. A comment on the apparent ironclad inability of
Gene Debs
May 2016
#18
Hillary is a politician: she is not applying for St.hood: She will work with her party
lewebley3
May 2016
#64
She is quoting the record. Yes, Hillary will win. Bernie has no rational chance.
Sancho
May 2016
#16
Hillary's big numerical lead is due to her having won in Southern states, many of which
JDPriestly
May 2016
#21
Sanders has proven he doesn't have leadership qualities: his people are bullies
lewebley3
May 2016
#67
On the evidence she has repeatedly and about substantial issues. In this case the numbers.
Ford_Prefect
May 2016
#72
Hillary is not the only one that is certain: anyone with math skills knows Hillary has
lewebley3
May 2016
#69
Hillary never feels threatened she is a fighter: She will take on the Trump the bully
lewebley3
May 2016
#74
No it call math: we all arrived at same numbers: Sanders has lost: and without grace
lewebley3
May 2016
#86
democratic socialist (a very mild one at that) and a progressive who would beat Trump
AntiBank
May 2016
#89
yes, Clinton and her corporate masters want to smash, once and for all, any progressive
AntiBank
May 2016
#66
that qualifies as one of the most LUDICROUS statements I have ever seen on this board
AntiBank
May 2016
#75
110+ million USD...How Hillary and Bill Clinton Parlayed Decades of Public Service into Vast Wealth
AntiBank
May 2016
#79
She is up over 3 million votes over Bernie...she needs 92 more delegates...
beachbumbob
May 2016
#56
She's telling the truth. Even Sanders admits it. He says over and ove that he has received
lunamagica
May 2016
#99
She is not the one misleadingshe is up by three million votes, this is a fact.
Thinkingabout
May 2016
#102
Just might be compulsive since that seems to be what she does even when the truth serves better
emsimon33
May 2016
#118