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kitp

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4. Not public not government

Sun May 29, 2016, 12:01 AM

May 2016

In the context of your posts it seems clear that you think socialism is government ownership. You wonder why Sanders calls himself a Socialist when "I never hear him calling for government takeovers of the entire economy."

You then use the term "public", "Sanders has not been calling for public control over all of the major means of production" again appearing to believe the socialism is some sort of societal or governmental ownership of the means of production.

This, to me, completely misses the point of Chomsky's statements and is a misunderstanding of socialism.
Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production, not public, not government.

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Chomsky on socialism [View all] Cheese Sandwich May 2016 OP

He's right. The traditional definition of socialism Tal Vez May 2016 #1

You've completely misunderstood the video I'm afraid. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #2

I think Chomsky is saying exactly what I was saying, Tal Vez May 2016 #3

Not public not government kitp May 2016 #4

Your definition of socialism is just another example of what Chomsky meant Tal Vez May 2016 #5

I'm sorry you've misunderstood the video.. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #6

Listen, there is no law that prevents you from defining socialism any way you want. Tal Vez May 2016 #7

That's why he calls himself a socialist. Because he is one. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #8

If you want to believe that Sanders is a socialist, that's up to you. Tal Vez May 2016 #9

Try Fran Piven Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #10

She seems like someone I would like. Tal Vez May 2016 #11

I agree with your statement of facts but we're reaching different conclusions Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #12

Well, you've taught me about what some people mean by "Democratic Socialism" Tal Vez May 2016 #13

Apparently no I haven't. Cheese Sandwich May 2016 #15

Bernie does not label himself a socialist. It is the media and jwirr May 2016 #14

Thank you. Tal Vez May 2016 #16

As I see it the Democratic Socialism that we see in Europe jwirr May 2016 #17

I agree. Tal Vez May 2016 #18