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Cary

(11,746 posts)
37. I am a left leaning moderate
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

Excuse me but I and others like me are not why "The country is in the mess it's in."

Radicals want to have it both ways.

Radicals on the right have obstructed and thus have affected things. I think they have had a big negative impact. I could point to some 300 or so bills they filibustered and who knows what would have been done by Democrats if they still had a majority in the House?

Radicals on the left, by contrast, have done absolutely nothing. I don't expect they ever will be functional, or accountable for their dysfunction.

Hey if the radical left wants to organize and take over the Democratic Party I can forget the cognitive dissonance. I can forget the fact that the radical left bitches and moans about the organizational necessity of raising funds, and then wants to take over the structure that was built by moderates on that very organizational necessity. Organize, by all means, and take over.

But hey we both know that's never going to happen. Instead of blaming others who are out doing things, be good enough to do what has to be done, or own the dysfunction.

Amen. kadaholo Jun 2016 #1
Not Unusual...Business As Usual For Any Oligarchy billhicks76 Jun 2016 #98
You do realize that a pollster and elicit just about any response don't you? tonyt53 Jun 2016 #2
Only if you let them. pennylane100 Jun 2016 #3
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #4
Lol! KPN Jun 2016 #36
The 'average' voter didn't get a say... freebrew Jun 2016 #5
Yeah, no shit. snort Jun 2016 #6
Hmmm, yep Fairgo Jun 2016 #62
Yep 840high Jun 2016 #72
left-wing, right-wing, and moderates must come together to reform our election and political systems stillwaiting Jun 2016 #7
Radicals don't want to get together Cary Jun 2016 #9
Really? One, who and what is radical? Two, can you defend that with any evidence? KPN Jun 2016 #38
Ditch the attitude and I will discuss it with you, or not Cary Jun 2016 #41
Oh forgive me for thinking you had attitude. My mistake. KPN Jun 2016 #47
I had the attitude? Cary Jun 2016 #56
S.O.S! SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #97
Oh....I get it... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #111
They will never give up their power willingly. Scruffy1 Jun 2016 #15
I know that elected politicians would be EXTREMELY averse to reforming the system. stillwaiting Jun 2016 #23
I'd like to see a voting "holiday", as well as the other proposals listed in your sig line. PWPippin Jun 2016 #102
Interesting idea. KPN Jun 2016 #40
And things are designed to keep that from happening. zeemike Jun 2016 #88
It cannot be done. RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #138
The negativity is appalling Cary Jun 2016 #8
You sound like someone who likes tom_kelly Jun 2016 #12
The country is in the mess it's in sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #16
I am a left leaning moderate Cary Jun 2016 #37
I agree with you redkwamya Jun 2016 #80
If you're advocating building a better system Laha Jun 2016 #87
As Radical as filling in a bubble Marty McGraw Jun 2016 #95
So just accept sitting in the back of the bus and enjoy the ride. beardown Jun 2016 #27
The civil rights movement took 100 years after the Emancipation Proclamation Cary Jun 2016 #39
How do you suggest change comes about? Flying Shoe Jun 2016 #59
It doesn't come about the way the radical left wants it. Cary Jun 2016 #63
We aren't asking for a disertation Gore1FL Jun 2016 #93
Who is we? Cary Jun 2016 #110
Consider it the royal we and actually try to prove your argument. nt Gore1FL Jun 2016 #112
No. Not good enough Cary Jun 2016 #114
You said you could write a dissertaion on it. I simply asked for less. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #122
Right. Cary Jun 2016 #124
I want the dissertation you spoke of. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #125
Oh no! Cary Jun 2016 #126
For starters you should strive for credibility nt Gore1FL Jun 2016 #128
Read slowly: Is that right? Cary Jun 2016 #129
I don't care if you want to come accross as a know-nothing. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #130
I'm so happy for you Cary Jun 2016 #131
Thank you! Gore1FL Jun 2016 #132
You win! Cary Jun 2016 #133
OK! Gore1FL Jun 2016 #134
Change come from years of activism and suffering noiretextatique Jun 2016 #135
That's nonsense. sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #64
So you get out that old retrospectoscope of yours and claim you could have done it better Cary Jun 2016 #66
Excuse me, but zentrum Jun 2016 #84
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #73
Me too, great response. JoeOtterbein Jun 2016 #79
Tra-la-la tra-la-la. Everything's just peachy-keen wonderful. KPN Jun 2016 #42
See, this is the problem Cary Jun 2016 #57
Wrong billhicks76 Jun 2016 #101
Actually the majority of Americans don't care. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #10
Actually they do care very much. -none Jun 2016 #108
Most of those that don't vote just aren't interested. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #113
What about those legal voters that can't vote because of voter roll purges and party flipping? -none Jun 2016 #115
Sour grapes, anyone? Gamecock Lefty Jun 2016 #11
70% of Americans feel hopeless about the election Geronimoe Jun 2016 #17
I don't think the percentage would change if Bernie had won AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #49
Your avatar seems at odds with your message. KPN Jun 2016 #44
no, corporate media gave them choices, herding to the inevitable corp friendly candidates larkrake Jun 2016 #86
All of a sudden this is a concern? gwheezie Jun 2016 #13
Bingo. Obama Derangement Syndrome morphs into Hillary Derangement Syndrome. (nt) ehrnst Jun 2016 #22
WTF? Why do you people play those same two lame cards repeatedly. KPN Jun 2016 #46
What? Victim Card? The victims won AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #50
What? Victim Card? The victims won AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #51
Once was enough. KPN Jun 2016 #52
You people? gwheezie Jun 2016 #60
Oh for heavens sake. . KPN Jun 2016 #96
I thought after yesterday .... Cryptoad Jun 2016 #14
Righty-O! Out you go! SujiwanKenobee Jun 2016 #18
MWAH! back. Plucketeer Jun 2016 #116
Apperantly Plucketeer Jun 2016 #19
(juror #4) kentauros Jun 2016 #94
Comedy gold! johnp3907 Jun 2016 #20
Well the candidate that didn't get the backing of the majority of white men didn't win. ehrnst Jun 2016 #21
Damn right! n/t FourScore Jun 2016 #24
Average voters do not get a say RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #25
The "average voters" did have a say in California.... wolfie001 Jun 2016 #43
So what RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #55
Very Nader-like response wolfie001 Jun 2016 #136
WTF? RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #137
Wouldn't have been close if Nader hadn't run wolfie001 Jun 2016 #139
It wasn't as close as you think! RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #140
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #74
The teams that lost are screaming rigged and so is the privilged white, male, hetero, rich, Christia uponit7771 Jun 2016 #26
the "establishment" projects itself in many forms, many different constructs AntiBank Jun 2016 #32
If you don't think those candidates were chosen by your corporate masters Laha Jun 2016 #104
Many do not understand that.... afertal Jun 2016 #28
"Imagine a single open primary where (a la California) the top candidates advance to the General..." kjones Jun 2016 #29
This one's over, so.. afertal Jun 2016 #69
They have lost faith with good reason. The cheating and voter suppression is rampant. nt GoneFishin Jun 2016 #30
Posting a photo of Clinton next to Trump with this headline suggest to me that... Nitram Jun 2016 #34
Probably. Bernie has been the victim of the preposterously lop-sided exit polls which favor GoneFishin Jun 2016 #65
I hate to say it, but you guys just sound like sore losers. Nitram Jun 2016 #107
I was a sore loser in 2000 too. I don't know anybody who likes being cheated. GoneFishin Jun 2016 #117
Face it, you haven't beeen cheated. Nitram Jun 2016 #121
Hard to hide it. So rampant. 840high Jun 2016 #75
I have never, in my 66 years of life, felt less connected to this country than I do now. floriduck Jun 2016 #127
Count me in on this. Duval Jun 2016 #31
the problem is simple, a majoritarian system dominated by 2 parties is systemically AntiBank Jun 2016 #33
K & R AzDar Jun 2016 #35
RIGGED. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2016 #45
Not Rigged, Just Stupid AllTooEasy Jun 2016 #54
They're just sore losers. Scuba Jun 2016 #48
Our electoral system needs serious reforms Martin Eden Jun 2016 #53
meh. Just like war, politics is a racket. Javaman Jun 2016 #58
can you say teevee gnewz MANIPULATION? pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #61
I suspect Trump has a canceled check with Hillary's name on it too. A Simple Game Jun 2016 #81
They who have chosen to be deaf and blind felix_numinous Jun 2016 #67
Deaf and blind creeksneakers2 Jun 2016 #91
Two sides of the same coin. Laha Jun 2016 #105
What is unacceptable BainsBane Jun 2016 #68
Only 60,000 votes were counted in PR Geronimoe Jun 2016 #89
You got it backwards Laha Jun 2016 #106
Count me as one of those who are disillusioned with this election allyouneedislove4 Jun 2016 #70
..... 840high Jun 2016 #77
You don't need a Weatherman ... Jopin Klobe Jun 2016 #71
one of the intended consequences of Bernie's underthematrix Jun 2016 #76
Most Americans have no idea how our election system is set up. stopbush Jun 2016 #78
How do you know? SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #100
Last I heard... jjewell Jun 2016 #82
You're SOOOO right!!! SouthernDemLinda Jun 2016 #99
I agree with them larkrake Jun 2016 #83
I have faith in rigged elections. I just don't have faith in fair elections. nt valerief Jun 2016 #85
Elections show Americans have lost faith in rigged polls. Nt. thucythucy Jun 2016 #90
I'll second that-AP should be added to this mess too. midnight Jun 2016 #92
Add to that.. THIS... MrMickeysMom Jun 2016 #103
Interesting... I didn't feel frustrated or helpless. Chicago1980 Jun 2016 #109
And Zero/Few Banksters Went To Jail - Not All Obama's Fault scottie55 Jun 2016 #119
Without Violence It Will Not Change - The Oligarchs Have Way Too Much Power scottie55 Jun 2016 #118
There are definitely lots of election issues that need to be fixed Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #120
Clinton just comes off as totally not genuine.. Chakaconcarne Jun 2016 #123
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #141
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