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HereSince1628

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32. As a Sanders supporter I winced at the way "old-white man" description was applied
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jun 2016

to him over the past year. Those were low blows, but I am not sure how significant they are to the national political mood.

I don't think the Clinton campaign or Clinton supporters ever recognized that phrasing as a significant problem. Consequently, I wouldn't expect it to be seen as a crack needing any attention.

White men still define the political opposition's base and white man still applies perfectly to Trump. White men as in 'white patriarchy' are not only iconic historical opponents to much of Clinton's coalition, white patriarchy is often seen as near if not the root cause of social inequality. White men are also painted as the common denominator in the problem with guns and mass murder (although the numbers around gun violence provide some actuarial challenges to that perspective).

Making clear distinctions with the opponent is an often useful and common tactic in politics which would be quietly emphasized in the choice of Warren as vp.

In a more traditional frame of mind, a Clinton/Warren ticket does little to appeal to a national electorate in the usual ethno-geographic sense.

But with Trump as an icon of what's wrong with men on the right as the main opposition, traditional demands are muted. At this moment there doesn't seem to be any important ethno-geographic group clamoring for recognition and representation on the ticket, while Warren is a vigorous and convincing opponent to all that Trump represents.

We'll have to wait to see how the numbers work in the polls for the test run. If the numbers still look good going into late July, it could well happen.

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I would love it. That would be a revolution. The first Women President and Vice President. still_one Jun 2016 #1
If gender is your main issue, than it would be a revolution RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #8
I believe gender, and their position on the issues represent a revolution. still_one Jun 2016 #10
Oh? RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #12
On your first two points you are wrong. I am not going to try and convince otherwise, and regarding still_one Jun 2016 #14
Oh? RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #16
sooooo do you think the republicans are better?????????????? MFM008 Jun 2016 #29
I never said that RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #31
Listening to Hillary... yallerdawg Jun 2016 #2
I'd rather we not give up a Senate seat jberryhill Jun 2016 #3
Though I would love it personally... iandhr Jun 2016 #4
no....we need the Senate seat.... chillfactor Jun 2016 #5
I think that Warren could be more powerful RoccoR5955 Jun 2016 #6
Surprised. dpatbrown Jun 2016 #17
Warren would be toothless as VP, so no, not a no-brainer. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #7
Agree! mountain grammy Jun 2016 #9
No, for a number of reasons Warpy Jun 2016 #11
All good comments thus far - clinton/warren..sounds great..but - charlie in Mass (Rep).. asiliveandbreathe Jun 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author markj757 Jun 2016 #23
Not gonna happen. jalan48 Jun 2016 #15
Never gonna happen. Elizabeth Warren has been far too antagonistic to Wall Street, and Wall Street Gene Debs Jun 2016 #18
Watch it! You are CLOSE to violating the rules. You're comment is hyperbolic and nasty. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #25
If there is one thing that I thank Bernie for more than anything else..... markj757 Jun 2016 #19
It is just campiagn rheteric Geronimoe Jun 2016 #20
Hillary almost laid her cards flat on the table.... fpublic Jun 2016 #21
If anything Pharaoh Jun 2016 #22
Regarding Hillary choosing Warren, I think this is her first big test as our future President..... markj757 Jun 2016 #24
"Bold" isn't always SMART. Warren brings little to table in the big picture. Kaine is better for VP. RBInMaine Jun 2016 #26
I think I misread your title. I thought only those with no brains would support it. floriduck Jun 2016 #27
no no no SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #28
she will pick who she wants MFM008 Jun 2016 #30
no no no SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #33
As a Sanders supporter I winced at the way "old-white man" description was applied HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #32
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