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FighttheFuture

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15. Sure, there is a core, I think up to 20%, like that. But, there are many more
Thu Aug 11, 2016, 11:23 AM
Aug 2016

who are disaffected, as I stated, and let me add, disenfranchised from society.

Also, I do think many more then that 20% have a damaged, or very incomplete view of reality. That is a judgment, as who is to really say mine is much better, but I think it is just because I try to take in much more information from around the world and not be blind to our own party's faults and I try to reevaluate while maintaining empathy and a ethical center.

Regardless, you have an overlap of damaged reality with disenfranchised people in our society. This is further overlaid with their general demeanor. Are they considerate and open, or fearful and closed? As conditioned become tougher, people pull inward and often become less emphatic, more cruel. It's just survival but it is very dangerous for society. That, I believe, as been "the plan" for a long time with the RW oligarchs. Bring us back to a raw state of nature as described by Hobbes:

The pure state of nature or "the natural condition of mankind" was deduced by the 17th century English philosopher Thomas Hobbes, in Leviathan and in his earlier work On the Citizen. Hobbes argued that all humans are by nature equal in faculties of body and mind (i.e., no natural inequalities are so great as to give anyone a "claim" to an exclusive "benefit&quot . From this equality and other causes in human nature, everyone is naturally willing to fight one another: so that "during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called warre; and such a warre as is of every man against every man". In this state every person has a natural right or liberty to do anything one thinks necessary for preserving one's own life; and life is "solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short" (Leviathan, Chapters XIII–XIV). Hobbes described this natural condition with the Latin phrase bellum omnium contra omnes (meaning war of all against all), in his work De Cive.



Now these people, probably over 40% of the country, has helped Bernie greatly, and it has helped Trump, also. Many of these are still holding to the Democrats, or they may not vote if the past is any guide. But not all will hold, and that is a danger. It is a canary in the coal mine of what is happening in this country. I hope the Democratic party is really listening because this won't end after the election. If Hillary wins, and she most likely will, if policies as usual, these trade deals, rampaging capital and corporations, free passes for people who steal and cause trillions in damage while shooting starving people who steal a candy bar continues, you will see this country actually fracture and to what will rise I do not know.

We need to get back to the concepts of Commonwealth, Government is a good thing because it is all of us, and away from the selfishness. Democrats need to look into themselves because it is there, the party has done it before, its roots, its foundations are good. I believe Hillary has it in her to rise to the challenge if it should come To a head in her term. that is one of the big reasons I am supporting her. The other being the alternative is ... unfathomable.

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