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JHan

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73. I edited my comment for that reason.

Sun Oct 15, 2017, 12:42 PM

Oct 2017

I had a vague memory of 538 discussing it ( or the harris poll in general) but couldn't find the link, hence the reason I edited my comment. And anyone could see that I edited my comment before you replied ( if they're interested in checking)

The editorial piece you link me to does not discuss or examine African american support for Bernie, it simply looks at how Bernie stands up with other politicians included in that poll. The List does not include Biden or Harris. Curiously, Elizabeth Warren rates less favorably than Mike Pence in that poll. But hey, it has Bernie as most popular in the list so that's all that matters.

My issue with the poll though, is that the raw data doesn't provide a proper breakdown: either by race or gender. Bernie's overall popularity in that poll was spun and editorialized by blogs.

That particular poll was also used to debunk this piece by Roots: http://www.theroot.com/bernie-sanders-black-women-problem-1796995081 I guess the author just hates Bernie.

Further, here's a question for you: If Sanders is so immensely popular, why is there pushback to him opening the convention?

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Nina Turner on BERNIE SANDERS at the Women's Convention [View all] Purveyor Oct 2017 OP

So all women of color agree with Nina Turner? JHan Oct 2017 #1

... sheshe2 Oct 2017 #4

I gotta laugh though. JHan Oct 2017 #6

I gotta love ya though. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #7

Sanders does better among black women than any other group Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #69

Look that harvis Harris poll has been debunked JHan Oct 2017 #71

Sorry, no it hasn't Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #72

I edited my comment for that reason. JHan Oct 2017 #73

Sorry, but your little graphic doesn't make your case that anyone elected Ninsianna Oct 2017 #81

"Joy Reid hating "white" dude" ??? Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #111

Why use a descriptive term for the video you posted? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #132

Nope, never said Nina Turner is all black women??? Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #137

Oh, I see you edited out calling Hillary Clinton a Goldwater Girl in your post. betsuni Oct 2017 #153

I edited it out because I felt it was going to be divisive Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #161

I've never seen any other politician held responsible for what they did at sixteen years old. betsuni Oct 2017 #163

So you don't think it would have been divisive then? Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #209

Do these guys have a list of things they paste from? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #173

Clinton's favorables were in the high 60's when she left the Dept of State emulatorloo Oct 2017 #155

Did I say 'all'? Nope, you said most black women based on things you can't back up. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #171

Why did you post a video calling Joy Reid a "sellout"? George II Oct 2017 #182

to suggest her views don't mater BainsBane Oct 2017 #192

Joy Reid is probably one of the most respected and revered AA woman progressive "pundit".... George II Oct 2017 #194

This message was self-deleted by its author justhanginon Oct 2017 #205

This message was self-deleted by its author justhanginon Oct 2017 #206

Nope, because the video shows most black women have a high favor-ability of Sanders. Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #211

it is not a fact. It's false BainsBane Oct 2017 #216

Except for the fact that it doesn't say that at all, nor does any poll show that. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #220

Because it was the first place I had seen the stats on Sanders polling with black folks. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #210

Sorry, you should re-read the heading of the video. According to that... George II Oct 2017 #202

The polls asked about 9 and 12 public figures BainsBane Oct 2017 #196

Not surprising... Bernie is popular with ALL groups, across the board... and for good reason! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #78

Except all the groups across the board who are not allowed to speak, right? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #167

I silenced people? I made a vote? I have a plan? Havent the slightest idea what you're talkin about. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #187

"Popular with ALL groups"? On what is this based? George II Oct 2017 #184

How do you think he got to be the most popular politician in America right now? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #188

He's not the most popular politician in America. If you're referring to the Harvard-Harris poll.... George II Oct 2017 #189

"The [poll] ONLY included about a DOZEN politicians"... oookayyy. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #190

Well, I can only assume the poll to which you're referring, you weren't specific, but most likely.. George II Oct 2017 #191

Other than Obama, who's obviously not eligible to run for Prez again in 2020... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #195

The premise behind the poll wasn't prospective presidential candidates. It was simply... George II Oct 2017 #199

You make some good points and I, for one, certainly don't consider the poll "definitive" InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #200

Thanks. I doubt we'll see a poll of prospective candidates, an all-inclusive one, at least.... George II Oct 2017 #201

I certainly HOPE not until 2019... we need to focus on the 2018 congressional races, in a BIG way!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #203

You do realize that the Harvard-Harris poll gave respondents only a limited list of "policitians"... George II Oct 2017 #96

Joy Reid is a sellout? lapucelle Oct 2017 #98

Did you see his FB page? Lots of money to be made promoting division. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #169

Say it ain't so. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #181

Yes, but The RatNat's activism has been de-monitized by Youtube! lapucelle Oct 2017 #185

Poor dear. Even if theyd didn't, isn't the Bernie market rather saturated? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #221

Joy is a joy to watch!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #197

We like him well enough (except the Dem bashing), most of us went for Hillary though. brush Oct 2017 #104

Black women aren't even shown on that graph, so how do you come to the conclusion that... George II Oct 2017 #164

That was based on a very small sample BainsBane Oct 2017 #186

Did someone say that? whathehell Oct 2017 #90

the exchange speaks for itself.. JHan Oct 2017 #92

To you perhaps.. whathehell Oct 2017 #129

No , not "to me perhaps" JHan Oct 2017 #130

"Several other poster have explained this" whathehell Oct 2017 #133

yes, if only I had the time or inclination I would use flow charts. JHan Oct 2017 #134

but of course.. whathehell Oct 2017 #138

Maxine Waters is the headlining speaker. elleng Oct 2017 #2

But Tamika said that Bernie was the headliner, and that Maxine was giving the keynotee. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #9

Mallory did a quick about face when she saw all the pushback from Democrats. George II Oct 2017 #97

Yes. Um, do they not realize that their public tweets, likes and retweets Ninsianna Oct 2017 #99

A simple reality is that half of all women are conservative and that perhaps Hortensis Oct 2017 #159

You'd think that the fact that they're doing this perched on their stools on Fox would clue them in Ninsianna Oct 2017 #168

Lol. So true. The eyebrow-raiser of claiming to want "unity" but insisting on division. Hortensis Oct 2017 #179

I ran into a few people who were repeating the crap I see proliferating online. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #222

Is it verified that EW and HRC were invited? lapucelle Oct 2017 #31

Michelle Obama: "When they go low..." Hortensis Oct 2017 #215

Maxine sounds more like an after thought here, sheshe2 Oct 2017 #47

They couldn't very well appropriate Maxine's words as their theme lapucelle Oct 2017 #95

The link I posted.. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #136

I was being ironic, sheshe. lapucelle Oct 2017 #149

Oh. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #154

I Know. Let's just say that I wanted everyone lapucelle Oct 2017 #158

I suggest you read this post to get the full timeline of the contradictory statements emulatorloo Oct 2017 #56

Revisionist history based on constantly shifting/contradictory statements by organizers emulatorloo Oct 2017 #80

I am not OK with ANY of this divisiveness, elleng Oct 2017 #86

Fair enough emulatorloo Oct 2017 #88

Me neither... it's time for unity, as 2018 and 2020 will be upon us before you know it! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #198

Elsewhere on this thread lapucelle Oct 2017 #117

Yeah I just saw that. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #119

That conference is now hurting for money. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #183

It's not anti-man BainsBane Oct 2017 #3

and the organizers themselves are responsible for the "misreporting.." JHan Oct 2017 #5

They did EXACTLY what they did at the march. LisaM Oct 2017 #14

She's the keynote. Bernie has the primetime slot, and is the actual headliner Ninsianna Oct 2017 #12

The "identity politics" card is played when convenient and disparaged when not. deurbano Oct 2017 #20

is she still going? Auntie Maxine will still be there Ninsianna Oct 2017 #67

I see BainsBane Oct 2017 #40

Thanks for the summary emulatorloo Oct 2017 #55

My post above has a link to an article with quotes from Mallory. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #48

Maxine will rock the town!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #79

Women (of color and otherwise) don't really care what Nina Turner Ninsianna Oct 2017 #8

Endorsed +++++++++ JHan Oct 2017 #10

Woah. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #13

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2017 #16

Yep! pandr32 Oct 2017 #32

+1000! mcar Oct 2017 #33

Thank you! She's a disaster (and a perfect fit for that org she now heads.) NurseJackie Oct 2017 #36

+ a million! lunamagica Oct 2017 #44

+++ brer cat Oct 2017 #64

Actually they do since Sanders does best with women of color than any other group Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #70

Actually, we don't. This is why it's a mistake to mansplain to us what we women Ninsianna Oct 2017 #74

well said JHan Oct 2017 #75

++++ sheshe2 Oct 2017 #77

it was perfect. Truly perfect. No more needs be said. JHan Oct 2017 #91

That was a 'Drop the Mic' moment! sheshe2 Oct 2017 #121

You know what?? NurseJackie Oct 2017 #100

On a Democratic board, someone with a huge post count literally just said Ninsianna Oct 2017 #126

Standing ovation. ehrnst Oct 2017 #102

Way to completely twist what I said Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #113

Way to deny what you actually wrote. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #123

Deny what I wrote? I posted it front and center a second time Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #131

Indeed you did, that Nina is the only one entitled to speak for black men and women Ninsianna Oct 2017 #166

Harvard Harris INTERNET POST AGAIN? sheshe2 Oct 2017 #207

And exactly what is your issue with Sanders? Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #135

My issue is voting record, the candidate he endorses, his behavior, Ninsianna Oct 2017 #170

Turn off the corporate media Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #212

My goodness. The "corporate media" that loves Sander so much they have Bernie's Ninsianna Oct 2017 #219

Since you can't seem to find the study you keep pretending backs your point Ninsianna Oct 2017 #175

You still have not shown me your poll suggesting Sanders is not popular with blacks Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #213

Way to deflect, where was your data to back up your claims again? Ninsianna Oct 2017 #217

You seem to have forgotten to back up your points with valid data. Ninsianna Oct 2017 #218

... emulatorloo Oct 2017 #120

Brilliantly said! mcar Oct 2017 #122

++++++ brer cat Oct 2017 #139

I think this what you are looking for. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #141

Thank you! Sad that women have to all the work for these mansplainers Ninsianna Oct 2017 #172

I know the demographic listed is incomplete. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #174

I just presented it to him, since he's having ever so much trouble finding it Ninsianna Oct 2017 #176

Lol sheshe2 Oct 2017 #180

Oh, wow lunamagica Oct 2017 #150

I love you. betsuni Oct 2017 #157

Aww thanks! Ninsianna Oct 2017 #177

Well said. JNelson6563 Oct 2017 #178

You have to know that poll is discredited delisen Oct 2017 #112

Nope, not discredited and there are plenty more that say the same thing Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #128

Exactly. Proof is that he received more votes than anybody...oh, wait... lunamagica Oct 2017 #151

What is your point, Hillary lost to Obama before eventually getting the nomination Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #162

What are you talking about? Where did I even mention giving up after losing the first time. huh? lunamagica Oct 2017 #214

Majority of Voters choose Bernie For Pres! LOL delisen Oct 2017 #140

Who said that? Quixote1818 Oct 2017 #142

+1 betsuni Oct 2017 #156

Maybe sheshe2 Oct 2017 #11

Yep. The neoliberal insult is used against anyone who disagrees with them... JHan Oct 2017 #15

Umhmm. nt sheshe2 Oct 2017 #19

The echoing of Crapo White Rich-Boy House is very interesting emulatorloo Oct 2017 #61

It's the Faux Revolutionary Labeling War delisen Oct 2017 #144

Bella and Shirley - that's all I need to say NBachers Oct 2017 #24

I love that picture. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #49

Giants of Our Time - for some reason this picture brings tears to my eyes. NBachers Oct 2017 #62

They were far ahead of our time. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #63

So now disagreeing with Nina Turner means you're fighting with women of color? pnwmom Oct 2017 #17

Ugh! Can't stand her. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #18

i cant either... i never have liked her or that man she defends.. samnsara Oct 2017 #148

Thank you Nina Lazy Daisy Oct 2017 #21

Yes, keep saying how Democrats are worse than the GOP. Keep helping Republicans to get lunamagica Oct 2017 #45

As a POC, Nina Turner sure as hell doesn't speak for me. Besides, she works for Sanders. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2017 #22

Nothing like a dose of Whataboutism to deflect answering a question. nt TeamPooka Oct 2017 #23

lol! stonecutter357 Oct 2017 #25

Can people stop bashing Bernie, PLEASE! left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #26

I thought beating the GOP was the primary focus. Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #27

Tell that to Nina. She refused to endorse Democrats in the 2016 GE. lapucelle Oct 2017 #30

And again,,,,, Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #34

so divisiveness is now being projected onto those who find Nina's divisiveness offensive? JHan Oct 2017 #35

I surrender Smitty63nnn Oct 2017 #37

I share those goals. JHan Oct 2017 #38

We share those goals. Nina has stated publicly she wants to endorse Libertarians and Republicans emulatorloo Oct 2017 #57

Right now Im working with a local Democratic candidate lapucelle Oct 2017 #43

That sounds like the sort of thing murielm99 Oct 2017 #66

Thank you for what you do as well. lapucelle Oct 2017 #68

No. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #41

All these hateful posts will only hurt us in 2018 and 2020 left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #42

Right. Posting on DU will hurt us. But having Turner bashing the Democratic Party all over the lunamagica Oct 2017 #46

I sincerely doubt it. More troublesome is someone trashing Democrats and the Democratic Party. Lil Missy Oct 2017 #50

Oh looky left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #54

Well, folks discuss things on a discussion board. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #60

Maybe we should take a page out of Hillary's book? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #82

We are trying to, brer cat Oct 2017 #65

Good question, brer. sheshe2 Oct 2017 #143

The Bernie Bash-new dance craze of 2017 delisen Oct 2017 #147

Isn't the women's convention to focus on issues affecting women? still_one Oct 2017 #28

Didn't Nina Turner refuse to endorse Democrats in the 2016 general election? lapucelle Oct 2017 #29

Nope sorry Nina. ismnotwasm Oct 2017 #39

Oh no, another progressive who is not blinded by labels!!! guillaumeb Oct 2017 #51

Progressives don't propose endorsing/funding Republicans and Libertarians in elections afaik emulatorloo Oct 2017 #53

Thanks for the latest bit of divisiveness and misdirection from Ms. Turner emulatorloo Oct 2017 #52

Liked that pic, eh? Purveyor Oct 2017 #58

... emulatorloo Oct 2017 #59

What exactly are you trying to say? Cary Oct 2017 #76

That people uncomfortable w a man opening a women's conference are really racists attacking POC emulatorloo Oct 2017 #83

Maybe we should ALL band together and form a coalition. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #84

I'm not sure how well we have effected that coalition Cary Oct 2017 #87

Insinuating women are racist because they think it's weird to have man open a women's conference emulatorloo Oct 2017 #93

I don't think she meant racist left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #116

"Nina Turner says that instead of fighting with women of color for inviting Bernie Sanders" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #124

Time to move on left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #125

At this point yeah. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #127

I most certainly am NOT insinuating women are racist by my statement that InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #160

Good point Nina. KPN Oct 2017 #85

No, dishonest rhetoric. Insinuates women who think it's dumb for a man to open a Women's Conference emulatorloo Oct 2017 #89

Went back and rewatched it. My sense is KPN Oct 2017 #103

"Nina Turner says that instead of fighting with women of color for inviting Bernie" emulatorloo Oct 2017 #110

Oh, so you know that she thinks women who criticize the organizers KPN Oct 2017 #165

Which "critics" is she talking about? Is she implying that Democrats are not focusing.... George II Oct 2017 #94

. RandySF Oct 2017 #101

AMEN and HALLELUJAH ! left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #105

Can't move on from total equality for woman delisen Oct 2017 #107

As Nina said ... left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #108

Pointing out the flaws in Sander's delisen Oct 2017 #115

Oh my gawd! left-of-center2012 Oct 2017 #109

You're kinda supposed to quietly use the Ignore Button, not announce or boast about it. emulatorloo Oct 2017 #114

Gee Nina are we allowed to think for ourselves? delisen Oct 2017 #106

Nina Turner refused to endorse Democrats in the 2016 general election. lapucelle Oct 2017 #118

I've got an idea, Nina. Let's concentrate on WOMEN at the Women's Convention. SunSeeker Oct 2017 #145

hes a man.. i dont care what color or what name... samnsara Oct 2017 #146

And he has become a very divisive figure. LisaM Oct 2017 #152

Bernie is a decent man, a caring man, a man who supports and fights for women's rights and issues InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #193

He votes for women issues and rights. He does not fight for them. Mediumsizedhand Oct 2017 #204

Oh okay, got it... I must of misread all those media stories recognizing Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #208