Nina Turner on BERNIE SANDERS at the Women's Convention

[Ninsianna]

74. Actually, we don't. This is why it's a mistake to mansplain to us what we women

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of color actually think.

So when we tell you that no, Nina Turner doesn't speak for us, and you decide to respond that, well, actually this black woman who leads no one, speaks for no one, and takes positions that most of us find ridiculous, stupid and really embarrassing, that's problematic.

This sort of bro-splaining where white men and white women tell women, including women of color that their tokens, like the two black women who agree with them, the one Asian woman who agrees with them (who's best buddies with a white nationalist who also agrees with them), speak for you, it's a fail on all fronts.

These people speak for themselves, so when thyey attack Joy Reid, Neera Tanden, Kamala Harris, Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein and all the other women in the public eye they're doing so to advance their own agenda.

When we women tell you the opposite, when our votes tell you the opposite, when we speak out against the vicious attacks like the one you posted, which employ racist and misogynistic tropes by calling black women "sellouts" and impugning their mental health, in the way that white men have been doing to undermine and silence women's voices, you can see why it's problematic.

So, no Nina doesn't speak for black women, Joy doesn't claim to, nor does anyone claim that she is, and it's telling that some feel the need to insist that women themselves, their votes (which were not cast in a way that supports your assertion, and which caused a lot of upset and racial animus when they were not favoring Bernie), must be ignored because two employees of Bernie, say things.

Black women actually expressed their opinion of Bernie, and they've expressed their opinion of Nina and of Joy. Guess who they like and who they think is an embarassment every time she opens her mouth or tweets something.

Other women of color, and oh yeah, we exist to and no Nina freaking Turner doesn't speak for us, and we're busy rolling our eyes at her antics, since she's so ridiculous and transparent. We don't need white males, not Chapo frathouse, not this dude who thinks he's an "independent journalist" but isn't so much because his patent bias is what colors his attacks on women who dare disagree with him, telling us to sit down and shut up because Nina has been elected to speak for us and who the hell cares what we're saying.

This post is so offensive, but it's par for the course about this particular group of "progressives" who think, act and treat us exactly the same way the Right does, with the same terminology, the same attacks and the same derision.

So, no actually Nina doesn't speak for us, that debunked study that doesn't even say what many desperate people insist it says, nor does Symone, or any of the other tokens, not this white dude, not the Chapped Frat boys insisting on "forcing us to submit" and "bend the knee" to their Weinsteinesque entitlement.

This is why we overwhelmingly rejected Bernie every time he's been foisted upon us, it's why we mock fox favorites like Nomiki, the hapless right wing funded tools like Halper, the frothingly misogynistic Dore, Cenk with his own history of attacking women. It's why we're so upset over this fraudulent stunt by more 4 women who've been told numerous times their message is offensive, and is not representative of the women they claim to speak for.



So nope, Nina doesn't "pretty much speak" for anyone other than herself, and if you can't see why claiming otherwise, and pasting a link of a clueless white bro who attacks women is offensive, then you're deluding yourself about what women really think of Bernie and the pretend left that's monetizing attacking us, silencing us, and abusing us at every opportunity. These are Fox/Republican/Right Wing behaviors, and they're being foisted upon us by people who earn their money by attacking Democrats, women and particularly women of color at every chance they get.

Nina doesn't speak for us, Bernie doesn't either and his failure, and that of his supporters to grasp that when we've been EXTREMELY vocal about it in every poll that actually asks us what we're thinking, we're telling you with our dollars, our voices, in every way possible that NO, we do not want this man to be shove at us, please stop, our objections are ignored and we're told to lie back and take it because some woman enamored of him told you it's okay for him to do whatever he wants.

NO.

NO.

NO.

In case that was too subtle, NO FUCKING WAY that Nina speaks for us, and she doesn't get to consent for us, when we're telling you that we're not interested.

That's not how this works, and the failure to grasp that is why Bernie will never win and his brigade of supporters will continue to alienate women, liberals, progressives and Democrats. This is what we do when we have the power to get away from abusive men who won't accept rejection and the women who enable this predation. If that sounds harsh, it's because it is, this is what this feels like to women who are constantly being silenced and told to sit down and shut up while people like your video guy and others tell us what's best for us and use people like their tokens to hide behind.

Nina speaks for herself, as does Symone and the rest of the merry band of Bernie cheerleaders, no one else, not "most of us".

This is deeply misogynistic and racist, and it's also wrong headed.