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R B Garr

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55. Lots of people who claim to be socialists didn't vote for Hillary.

Tue Jan 30, 2018, 03:23 PM

Jan 2018

Not voting for Hillary was a huge mistake. It's why we have trump. Some pretended she didn't have the stellar character that the ideas of socialism like to promote, so she wasn't pure enough. You sound very familiar. Not meaning anything by that, but I remember a lot of people who didn't vote for Hillary promoted ideas such as this -- undermining of the Democratic party in the name of lofty ideas that are totally unattainable until a Democrat is elected and Democrats maintain power for a long period of time. Promoting ideas that don't lead to the end result of electing Democrats does nothing to promote progressivism.

Denigrating Democrats in the name of socialism isn't being a "liberal party." You keep trying to insinuate that people aren't "liberal" if they are not socialists. That just looks like realism, actually. Socialism is a long way off. First things first.

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IT'S OFFICIAL: @SenSanders will deliver his own #SOTU2018 response live and on the Internet! [View all] Donkees Jan 2018 OP

Old Bernie snowybirdie Jan 2018 #1

Yes, yes he does. comradebillyboy Jan 2018 #3

I love Bernie and his voters and all who are liberal and progressive. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #7

Tomorrow night. George II Jan 2018 #10

I have no respect for bernie for a few reasons, but that's my choice right? Wwcd Jan 2018 #95

Right. It's our freedom to choose, and we should never forget to be thankful for that. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #96

I'd have chosen Sanctions, but thats just me. Wwcd Jan 2018 #100

Is Jane gonna show up? Awkward! Wwcd Jan 2018 #70

Bazinga! George II Jan 2018 #86

... ehrnst Jan 2018 #166

+1,000,000 George II Jan 2018 #85

Our policies deserve the spotlight. He is steadfastly working to make a better country for all of us. The Wielding Truth Jan 2018 #183

I'm looking forward to the speeches of both Bernie and Kennedy. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #2

Sanders and progressives plan three responses to the State of the Union Donkees Jan 2018 #5

I'll be watching them all. I'm really excited that we on the liberal/Democratic/progressive Sophia4 Jan 2018 #6

Most people will watch, at most, ONE response. Anyone who interferes with Joe Kennedy's... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #12

Interfere????? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #13

As I said, most people watch THE response on tv. Most people don't spend an hour after the SOTU Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #20

But Kennedy's speech is the one on TV, and if everyone watches TV, then that is Sophia4 Jan 2018 #21

Both the SOTU and the Democratic rebuttal will be livestreamed. lapucelle Jan 2018 #34

Not everything is about YOU. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #41

Sadly. Wouldn't life be great FOR ME if everything was about ME? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #46

Oh, Honeycomb, I can't agree it's important to watch Hortensis Jan 2018 #156

Thank you. The Wapo article already hints at the coming points of division Wwcd Jan 2018 #99

Good, as many as we can.. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #26

The Democratic Party is putting out ONE message...by Joe Kennedy. Msgs by others are OTHER parties. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #42

Well, guess you told me! Are you the official spokesperson for the Democratic party? mountain grammy Jan 2018 #43

I wonder whether the people who are fanatically rejecting the idea of listening to more Sophia4 Jan 2018 #47

Fanatics? ehrnst Jan 2018 #69

Fanatics! Well thanks for the unity. Wwcd Jan 2018 #133

:) If some don't like the word fanaticism, can we agree Hortensis Jan 2018 #159

Yup. One strong righteous message from our strong Dem Party of the people Wwcd Jan 2018 #107

I hope one of them reads Trump the riot act for not enforcing the Russia sanctions today. N/T lapucelle Jan 2018 #33

Yes, I hope so too. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #44

All the Democrats voted for the sanctions on Russia. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #66

Why would anyone NOT want Russia Sanctioned! WHY? Wwcd Jan 2018 #92

I have no clue, Wwcd. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #97

Question everything , everyone who shows you a serious reason to doubt Wwcd Jan 2018 #104

Yep. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #117

... LexVegas Jan 2018 #4

To be fair, lapucelle Jan 2018 #32

Are all of these responses running concurrently? The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #8

That's what YouTube is for. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #14

Most people watch on tv. Broadcast tv is free, BTW. This is CRITICAL for the Dem Party, you know. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #18

My thought as well, We should be laser focused The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #24

Hell yes, one message, one voice, vote for ANY democrat in November. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #51

One message. One voice. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #78

You do realize that you just invoked one of the most often repeated slogans of the Nazis, don't you? George II Jan 2018 #116

Yes. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #120

So you're using a 1930s Nazi slogan to refer to the Democratic Party? I find that unconscionable. George II Jan 2018 #121

Sorry. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #122

Then delete it. Wwcd Jan 2018 #135

Translated "ein volk ein fhrer" (full term is "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fhrer") means: George II Jan 2018 #167

No, she used it to critique the demand for only one voice to speak for the party. nt tblue37 Jan 2018 #137

In German. Quoting Nazis directly? That's what you call "a critique?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #173

You are calling us Nazis mcar Jan 2018 #125

Sorry. If my language is poorly chosen, please ignore it. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #129

Do you consider it accepting, uniting brer cat Jan 2018 #147

Depends. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jan 2018 #177

Nope. You made a flat out statement. brer cat Jan 2018 #179

Thanks. We are the state of Pat and Ed Brown, Schwarzenegger and Reagan, both Democrats Sophia4 Jan 2018 #180

Whether your views brer cat Jan 2018 #181

We shall see in November. Democrats in Virginia and even Alabama have Sophia4 Jan 2018 #182

Inclusive? You think Nazi comparisons encourage "inclusivity?" ehrnst Jan 2018 #151

Apologize for the NAZI comparison. That is how you can be "inclusive." ehrnst Jan 2018 #175

It's not Democrats that are demanding no dissent from a manifesto... ehrnst Jan 2018 #150

I've seen this rhetoric before where people are encouraged to shun Democrats R B Garr Jan 2018 #153

Who chose Bernie to speak? brer cat Jan 2018 #118

Maybe Bernie supporters? Or should we just throw them out and forget about Sophia4 Jan 2018 #119

Did He Hold A Vote For Supporters Me. Jan 2018 #123

I have no idea. I just think that the more responses we have, the better. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #126

Fair Enough Me. Jan 2018 #131

As long as you know who "chose" them ehrnst Jan 2018 #164

I have no clue. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #155

I Think It Was A Unilateral Decision Me. Jan 2018 #158

Who do you think? And who would you have chosen? ehrnst Jan 2018 #165

You have been passionately, repeatedly brer cat Jan 2018 #124

Oh, so those are the only options? ehrnst Jan 2018 #154

The primary is over, Sophia. It's 2018. ehrnst Jan 2018 #168

Seriously? I'm almost a Nazi because I want a focused DEMOCRATIC response - The Polack MSgt Jan 2018 #160

"ein volk ein fuhrer "?? You're comparing Dems wanting a unified voice with the NAZIs? ehrnst Jan 2018 #170

Do you know who in the Democratic Party chose Kennedy? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #77

Democratic Party leaders. Why...did yu want someone else in the Party? nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #79

I just wondered. Thanks. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #81

Do you know who chose Bernie? mcar Jan 2018 #128

No. I don't. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #130

I'm just wondering why you keep asking who "chose" Kennedy mcar Jan 2018 #132

Good point. nt sheshe2 Jan 2018 #184

Do you think that there is malfeasance going on if you don't know who did? ehrnst Jan 2018 #178

No, it's really not. I think you've lost perspective. Hortensis Jan 2018 #163

Have you ever considered that GaryCnf Jan 2018 #171

Exactly, but take it to Honeycombe. Hortensis Jan 2018 #174

This GaryCnf Jan 2018 #176

Yes, it is. I think you are losing perspective because of your favorites. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #185

Your post dates you, I know because the same thought crossed my mind. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #27

Kennedy is, I'm sure a highly qualified speaker, but I wonder how he was chosen, Sophia4 Jan 2018 #48

Agree! mountain grammy Jan 2018 #53

"Fanatics"? sheshe2 Jan 2018 #59

People who only want to listen to one speech. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #89

So those that do not agree... sheshe2 Jan 2018 #94

Yes. I like to be informed. And that is why I try different flavors of ice cream and Sophia4 Jan 2018 #98

Yes, I read you like other flavors. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #103

I wonder if I support Biden or Kamala Harris if I will be a "fanatic" Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #140

Sure isn't a very nice word to describe another Democrat. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #142

You may want to look into the Democratic history of the Kennedy family. George II Jan 2018 #73

I am speechless that you would have to say that here. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #141

Rigid view? You mean like there being only one way to get to universal health care ehrnst Jan 2018 #76

mmmm, hmmmm. You got it! George II Jan 2018 #105

+1 treestar Jan 2018 #136

+++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Jan 2018 #144

The Party chooses the speaker on both sides. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #82

I just wondered. Because members of Congress could choose. That would be Sophia4 Jan 2018 #87

The Dem Party leaders are in Congress. Don't know if the DNC is involved, too. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #91

Thanks. Sounds good. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #93

Is this an attempt at yet another DNC conspiracy? This is very divisive to continue R B Garr Jan 2018 #138

The DEMOCRATIC Party chooses the Democratic response, and it's not always a member of Congress. George II Jan 2018 #109

Are you seriously calling DUers fanatics? mcar Jan 2018 #108

Several times she called DUers fanatics. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #145

That "mysterious group" is Democrats. George II Jan 2018 #115

No one here has been "rushes to approve whoever it is that is chosen by this mysterious R B Garr Jan 2018 #139

Kennedy and Guzman were chosen by Democratic leadership. lapucelle Jan 2018 #157

Muddy is probably the point. With all eyes on Media, everyone's jumping for their share Wwcd Jan 2018 #134

Is that the Sanders that caucuses with the Democrats? Isn't Joseph Kennedy III.... George II Jan 2018 #9

The article says that Kennedy's response will be based on a written document prepared Sophia4 Jan 2018 #16

Interesting sneer about voting Republican. Are you R B Garr Jan 2018 #22

I wondered this same thing. tonyt53 Jan 2018 #31

My point exactly. Let's stop dividing Democrats. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #49

Ive already seen the sneers about Kennedy at that JPR R B Garr Jan 2018 #83

Hmmm. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #146

Yup. Biden and Kennedy both. Sounded like they were being, uhh.... R B Garr Jan 2018 #148

Figures. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #162

I'll send you my hunch..... R B Garr Jan 2018 #169

Gotcha. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #172

"Bernie who knows the history of our government personally" mcar Jan 2018 #110

Do you know how Kennedy was picked? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #80

Well, Maxine Waters is going to be talking off the cuff afterwards. ehrnst Jan 2018 #72

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2018 #75

Speaking of "OFFICIAL", Representative Kennedy will be giving the OFFICIAL Democratic Response. George II Jan 2018 #102

Democratic leadership chose two speakers to respond lapucelle Jan 2018 #161

Yes, Joseph Kennedy III, murielm99 Jan 2018 #71

Young. Democrat. Two strikes..... George II Jan 2018 #84

I hope he's not going to compete with Dem Party Joe Kennedy's response. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #11

We can watch them all on YouTube. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #15

Most people in the country will be watching on tv. I hope he doesn't horn in on the Dem Party's time Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #17

The best way to unite is to quit dividing Democrats. R B Garr Jan 2018 #23

The best way to unite (and I know cause I've been married 54 years) Sophia4 Jan 2018 #25

Not pushing an alternate universe on Democrats is R B Garr Jan 2018 #28

What is meant by "an alternate universe"? Sophia4 Jan 2018 #30

"The only 'alternate' to the Democratic Party lapucelle Jan 2018 #36

When its implied that Democrats are not good enough because R B Garr Jan 2018 #39

I have lived in countries like France, Germany and Austria in which DEMOCRATIC Sophia4 Jan 2018 #50

Lots of people who claim to be socialists didn't vote for Hillary. R B Garr Jan 2018 #55

Deciding who is liberal and who is not. What fun! Sophia4 Jan 2018 #61

All of what you're saying sounds very familliar. You contradict yourself R B Garr Jan 2018 #63

Who you voted for matters here. missingthebigdog Jan 2018 #143

Sage advice, Sophia. sheshe2 Jan 2018 #149

Implying that those who disagree with you are promoting an "authoritarian movement" ehrnst Jan 2018 #74

. WhoIsNumberNone Jan 2018 #19

The more the merrier.. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #29

I'm with you! Sophia4 Jan 2018 #35

Me Also Progressive2020 Jan 2018 #37

Never used to be that way, there was ONE response, ONE strong and pointed response. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #52

Yes, Kennedy will give a good response, I have no doubt. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #54

There are how many Democrats, should they all speak out tonight in a special response? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #57

So you obtject to Bernie Sanders, I get that. mountain grammy Jan 2018 #90

Go Bernie! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2018 #38

....... R B Garr Jan 2018 #40

Biden has a problem with the Bankruptcy Bill of 2005 which made additional Sophia4 Jan 2018 #56

These sound like the beginnings of an anti-Biden campaign like we can see at that JPR R B Garr Jan 2018 #60

Biden voted for the Bankruptcy Bill. Sophia4 Jan 2018 #62

These sound like the beginnings of an anti-Biden campaign, the same we saw with the R B Garr Jan 2018 #64

The bankruptcy bill really bit a lot of people hard when the 2008 economic crisis Sophia4 Jan 2018 #65

The facts are that Biden was the most popular in a recent poll. R B Garr Jan 2018 #67

Because I had a job in which I dealt with a lot of people who had been hurt by Sophia4 Jan 2018 #68

Do we get to spam ad nauseam about the negative R B Garr Jan 2018 #101

Yep, wish it wasnt tolerated here though Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #111

I have to cut my toenails while he's on. Darn. Lil Missy Jan 2018 #45

That's two speeches I'll be skipping tonight. Bleacher Creature Jan 2018 #58

Maxine's might be fun to watch too. George II Jan 2018 #88

Me too. Any politician who hides/deflects when asked for transparency by US citizens Wwcd Jan 2018 #127

Thanks..... chillfactor Jan 2018 #106

Thank you! MFM008 Jan 2018 #113

This is pretty much my one stop to learn and discuss everything political.. pangaia Jan 2018 #112

Great. I plan to watch both rebuttals. CentralMass Jan 2018 #114