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onit2day

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15. That is exactly what Sanders is saying. Capitalism is purely an economic state but
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 01:43 PM
Feb 2019

Democratic socialism is more and does not exclude capitalism. We will still be a capitalistic country but we will 'democratically' prevent capitalists from privatizing our social safety net as you call it and we will vote for representatives to ensure that all of us can have our basic needs meant. What you refer to as "capitalistic welfare states just like the US" IS socialism. We already are a Democratic Socialist Republic but Bernie, like most of us, does not want to privatize our Postal service, or our police departments, fire dept., libraries, public schools, SS, Medicare, Military or the VA etc.. He wants to expand our socialist programs by including Medicare for all. free higher education (like it was before Reagan) increased Min. wage so we have a livable wage, family leave and child care. Nowhere does Bernie suggest the Gov take over the means pf production. This is why he calls it what it is- Democratic Socialism but you refer to it as "social ownership of the means of production" which is twisting in a very negative way what the modern use of democratic socialism means. Never fails. Anytime Bernie's name is mentioned we get those with Bernie derangement syndrome coming out to spew their hate---"A dishonest demagogue" from one who doesn't even know the difference between capitalism and democratic socialism. Plus that breaks forum rules of no name calling. Bernie is honestly a man of the people who has worked all his life for the betterment of Americans and hopefully our next president which is why he is in 1st place so far. Beware the Russian trolls.

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That is exactly right. still_one Feb 2019 #2
But but awesomerwb1 Feb 2019 #3
Why such a passionate anti-Bernie response? He's done nothing wrong. walkingman Feb 2019 #4
Dishonest Demagoguery kennetha Feb 2019 #5
They can't help themselves billpolonsky Feb 2019 #25
I can never figure that out. For someone who has caucused with Dems, had their backs for years yaesu Feb 2019 #27
I think you answered your own question. rwsanders Feb 2019 #29
That is exactly what Sanders is saying. Capitalism is purely an economic state but onit2day Feb 2019 #15
Great post. Deseving of its own thread lunamagica Feb 2019 #16
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #19
Bernie should refer to it as social democracy sandensea Feb 2019 #6
Problem is kennetha Feb 2019 #8
True - but I'm not too worried about it. sandensea Feb 2019 #10
Back that up cause it's Not True. Social ownership? Where? Control means of prod? where? onit2day Feb 2019 #18
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2019 #7
If you think that explaining it will make his branding problem go away, you're fooling yourself LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #9
Thanks for your answer. efhmc Feb 2019 #12
He's ahead of all candidates so far and set records raising $ from small donations onit2day Feb 2019 #20
Fine, he should run as a Democratic Socialist, let them fund his efforts and provide database info. lark Feb 2019 #11
Again I am thankful for a true answer about Bernie. efhmc Feb 2019 #13
Nonsense. why so hateful and divisive because it's unsupported by the facts onit2day Feb 2019 #21
No hate, I personally like a lot of Bernies' polciies, it's just his disloyalty I dislike. lark Feb 2019 #32
+1 chwaliszewski Feb 2019 #14
As an activist, murielm99 Feb 2019 #17
I too talk to a lot of voters and they love Bernie and he offers all you mention onit2day Feb 2019 #22
Your post is full of holes. murielm99 Feb 2019 #23
5yrs ago when Bernie presented his bill for HC for all, 0 senators co-sponsored it onit2day Feb 2019 #26
Denile is not just a river in Egypt... rwsanders Feb 2019 #31
FDR said " a necessitist man is not a free man". Ensuring freedom means onit2day Feb 2019 #24
"I'm not a socialist , I don't think the democratic party is socialist. stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #28
Yes you are and so is the party if you stand for SS, Medicare, police & fire departments onit2day Feb 2019 #30
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