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TahitiNut

(71,611 posts)
19. It's like kicking the dog.
Fri Aug 31, 2012, 04:19 PM
Aug 2012

It is NEVER 'correct' to put the blame on the BOTTOM of the ladder. When we're "in service to our country," we effectively suspend our role as SOVEREIGNS (The People are sovereign in a democracy) and place ourselves in service to the Will of The People. To be in service to a Nation is to be in service to PEOPLE. A 'nation' isn't dirt, it isn't elected officials (politicians we once called "public servants&quot , and it isn't some piece of colorful cloth. (Unlike corporations) it IS people! Possibly the most profound statement of faith in a democracy is to enter into National Service. When "the people" cynically abdicate their role as sovereigns, whining and whimpering about "they won't let me have my way," it's cowardly and childish.

The longer "We The People" cynically and dismissively put crooks into office and abdicate our responsibility to participate in a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" the sooner we'll face again the need to spill blood in the streets to regain the sovereignty we willfully abdicated. Forget Mr. Goodwrench, when it's "pay me now or pay me later" it's never so true as when it's political self-determination.

There was MUCH about "the 60s" that I loved. The people who directed their ire at guys in uniform -- telling the FEW to bear the greatest cost by deserting or refusing to obey orders -- those people were idiots. Even worse were those who "protested" hypocritically ... NOT "the war" but THE DRAFT. God forbid THEIR rosy little asses be "skin in the game" that compelled them to actually participate ... belatedly.

When Jane "crossed the line" from PROTESTING "the war" to the point that she actually posed on an antiaircraft gun like she was on the NVA side in killing Americans, there wasn't an iota of 'pacifism' in her motive. Joan Baez I revered. She walked the talk. She offered aid to the "boat people" and worked to help veterans. Jane Fonda is a despicable self-indulged hypocrite who didn't lift a finger to help either.


Beating up on "the troops" went on for a LOOOONG time. Not only were some spat upon (I was), they were THEN CALLED LIARS for saying so (I was) because of Lembke's specious "scholarship" that totally failed to examine the context wherein, at its peak, more FIVE TIMES AS MANY GUYS WERE CLAIMING TO BE VIET NAM VETS than actually served in-country during the entire war! In the "chain of command" The People are supposed to be at the top -- sovereigns -- and us poor enlisted grunts were at the very bottom. Beating up on those at the bottom is despicable cowardice.

That profoundly misguided error was compounded when the Reich Wing hijacked the merit of respecting folks in Service to their Nation and, in the 80s onward, equated honoring servicemen to supporting misbegotten wars! Fucking appalling! But they COULD NOT HAVE HIJACKED the flag or the troops if it wasn't for MISGUIDED and HYPOCRITICAL "leftists" (who don't seem to have the foggiest notion of what it means to be 'liberal') who scapegoated guys in uniform and were far more against The Draft than any war. Just. Fucking. Obscene.

She seemed very sad for him. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #1
Rachel is a true and rational human being. maddiemom Sep 2012 #23
In a way, I'm glad that I don't quite feel compelled to kick Eastwood to the curb. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #2
ALL The Wealthy Old White Men.. Iggy Aug 2012 #3
You can't say all. But most, definitely. Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #5
You're Right.. Iggy Aug 2012 #6
In Clint's industry what you are saying is simply and wildly incorrect Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #8
What a WEAK Load Iggy Sep 2012 #21
Wait, what happened to Jane Fonda? maddiemom Aug 2012 #11
She thought posing like she was killing Americans was cute ... like an amusement park ride. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #13
If she was against American Imperialism, she should have recognized that American troops patrice Aug 2012 #18
It's like kicking the dog. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #19
Not interested in arguing w/y either. I thought you were referring to something maddiemom Sep 2012 #22
Eastwood was a total disaster. SmittynMo Aug 2012 #4
I seem him now as the metaphor for the repuke party... Javaman Aug 2012 #9
Eastwood DID HAVE a moment of truth to his spot Plucketeer Aug 2012 #12
I find it disturbing that anyone would claim to "own" the country. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #14
The really sad thing is ... Cosmocat Aug 2012 #7
Gee, seems like I missed all the fun last night. . . DinahMoeHum Aug 2012 #10
Parrotheads RULE! TahitiNut Aug 2012 #15
I turned the sound off when he started rambling......in fact I missed most of the comments that way. PDJane Aug 2012 #16
I appreciate!! Rachel's reticence to take further advantage of an uninformed old man. nt patrice Aug 2012 #17
this is really funny n/t MrsBrady Sep 2012 #20
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