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TreasonousBastard

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45. You may remain clueless, for all I care. "Reason" may not have killed, but...
Mon Sep 17, 2012, 05:58 AM
Sep 2012

many were killed by "reasonable" people and atheists. If you don't see the parallels, I won't accept the blame.

You still haven't bothered to explain just what your "reasoned" ethic is. If not one of the recognized religions, then what? All ethics are structured and have philosophical underpinnings or are simply a random jumble of quotes and jargon. Most people tend toward the random quotes and jargon--are you one of them or can you actually show the structure of your ethics? Empiricism, solipsism... there are so many schools of thought you could get lost in them and there should be one to your liking that doesn't include a deity. But, so far all you have done is complain about religion and not a word about an alternative. I'm aware of some of the alternatives, and I'm also aware of uneducated bullshit just complaining without anything constructive in replacement. So, how do you feel about deontology? Can your describe the epistemology and metaphysics that are the foundations of your ethic?

I didn't think so. Invariably, when someone dismisses religion so broadly they have nothing solid to replace it but slogans and bullshit. One certainly can be an atheist without being an asshole about it, but so many are so proud of discovering atheism they crow about it like teenagers discovering sex.

Jesuits, btw, are not so much known for buggering little kids but are better known as logicians-- actually practicing the "reason" you hold so highly.

They may be right about the end of biological life if Cleita Sep 2012 #1
My mother used to call these people "holy rollers" me b zola Sep 2012 #2
Jello for brains. nt valerief Sep 2012 #3
Some Jehovas came to the house yesterday. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #4
Just offer them a beer or a glass of wine and pour yourself one. You will see them run not southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #8
The guy was actually kind of nice. lumberjack_jeff Sep 2012 #10
We had a real nice JW come over to my house. I offered him a drink like a pepsi or tea southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #15
well, darlin', I believe in rapture, but it doesn't have anything to do with religion. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #16
Well darlin' good for you. I not bothered by it. southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #20
You are so right - My husband (before I knew him) had a friend that did JUST THIS. Told them onecent Sep 2012 #18
It is funny. Funnier was my mother-in-law that did that to a neighbor. He is a religious freak. southernyankeebelle Sep 2012 #19
tears are washed away with the blood of billions of people Schema Thing Sep 2012 #25
Organized religion has done their part in instilling the fear of death to control people for Lint Head Sep 2012 #5
+1 freshwest Sep 2012 #11
Feeling Guilt. NOT! chuckstevens Sep 2012 #6
their craving for destruction KT2000 Sep 2012 #7
Self-fulfilling prophecies also give a reason to dehumanize other humans and live only for yourself. freshwest Sep 2012 #12
Oooh - good point KT2000 Sep 2012 #32
It struck me listening to a very well off Christian friend who has been moaning about money... freshwest Sep 2012 #35
It's not as if this rhetoric is new Major Nikon Sep 2012 #9
Jehovah's Witnesses have some pretty strange interpretations of the bible IMO, but they are NOT truth2power Sep 2012 #22
I'm not sure what a normal interpretation of the bible would even look like Major Nikon Sep 2012 #24
I was raised as one. Schema Thing Sep 2012 #27
I saw them as relatively benign until that one part you mentioned here, was explained to me. freshwest Sep 2012 #38
concurring bigrob35 Sep 2012 #68
There are a LOT of reasons people don't like JW tkmorris Sep 2012 #69
Thank you, bigrob. When I was in high school (many, many years ago) truth2power Sep 2012 #70
I tend to agree. I guess my experience is different than many. See my response, below. n/t truth2power Sep 2012 #71
they are deceived and deceive others. zeemike Sep 2012 #13
Israel will be the site of Jesus's second coming?,,,, benld74 Sep 2012 #14
It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't come off as if they were superior. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2012 #17
Creepy! These people are batshit-crazy... truth2power Sep 2012 #21
That I hadn't heard before watching this. Richard D Sep 2012 #28
Beneath the Planet of the Apes Gabby Hayes Sep 2012 #46
These ARE NOT the kind of people we AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #64
ZZZZzzzzzzz... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #23
I have no problem ignoring how pulpits were "crucial" in flighting slavery and Jim Crow Major Nikon Sep 2012 #30
Town churches reflected their parishioners, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #31
Religion has always been a piss poor basis for ethics and still is today Major Nikon Sep 2012 #33
Religion, or just Christianity? Your argument seems to be primarily against Western... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #41
Ah yes, the old tired well debunked argument that atheism fueled Hitler and Stalin's genocides Major Nikon Sep 2012 #42
I didn't say atheism caused anything, I simply mentioned that... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #43
This was your assertion, verbatim... Major Nikon Sep 2012 #44
You may remain clueless, for all I care. "Reason" may not have killed, but... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #45
You can resort to name calling, for all I care Major Nikon Sep 2012 #47
So, you have no alternative ethic yourself, is that it? Just winging it while... TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #48
Sure I do Major Nikon Sep 2012 #49
I should apologize for your being a fathead? Not any time soon. TreasonousBastard Sep 2012 #63
Funny thing about survival.... enki23 Sep 2012 #36
So I've heard ailsagirl Sep 2012 #26
Blasphemers. progressoid Sep 2012 #29
He! he! a TomRobbinsarian! patrice Sep 2012 #60
I haven't read that one. progressoid Sep 2012 #61
There's a sock and some other stuff and it's also about Israel & the US and some other stuff . . . patrice Sep 2012 #62
I had to watch it in 3 pieces as I was running around. Snarkoleptic Sep 2012 #34
Religion is stupid and b757pilot Sep 2012 #37
How do these folks feel about b757pilot Sep 2012 #39
Bookmarking -- thanks. gateley Sep 2012 #40
I watched this entire, documentary of stupid. EnviroBat Sep 2012 #50
True Story: People need to understand that this is a movement that is willing to do whatever they patrice Sep 2012 #51
Have you all noticed that "Liberty" University has major facilities funded by the LaHaye, as in the patrice Sep 2012 #52
My goodness! What a convenient excuse for building KILLING machines, for such a hand$$$ome patrice Sep 2012 #53
I get harassed in front of my own home by those nuts Newsie Sep 2012 #54
Wow. I'm speechless. I was raised with that shit, and I'm still speechless. mike_c Sep 2012 #55
Anybody besides me notice how much Rev. Hagee resembles Jonathan Winters in "The Loved One"? Bette Noir Sep 2012 #56
Closed with an add to become a "minister" with online course. HFW! patrice Sep 2012 #57
These. ARE. blasphemers. Practically every word out of their mouths reveals they equate patrice Sep 2012 #58
100K responded to Bush criticism of Israel = THESE are the people who CAUSED the war on Iraq. patrice Sep 2012 #59
At about 41:58 Iwillnevergiveup Sep 2012 #65
This isn't Orthodox Christianity thatwhichisnt Sep 2012 #66
you are correct, It is not even historic Evangelicalism, However, among the "Christian-right" Douglas Carpenter Sep 2012 #67
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